Thread: Garuda 1.0

Originally Posted by Viridiana

For heaven's sake, Vaan looks more ready to attack in that picture than the PLD did fighting Garuda. Do you realize you just made me say that Vaan, of all people, is doing something better?

i talk about the combat speed.. not about animations..

and if some people believe it or not.. there can be different types of combat systems and speed.. turn based.. slow ... and fast. Final Fantasy originally comes from a turn based combat ... or ATB which is.. more turn based than real time.
the one is not better than the other... its just a preference.

and today having most games in a fast food combat style.. i dont wonder about these reactions "too slow"

Originally Posted by DarkStar

Something to keep in mind about FFXII is that it uses an ATB system which necessarily slows it down.

The old Version of FFXIV had no global cooldown.. i am talking about FFXIV before the reboot "A Realm Reborn".. because someone said "1.0." was so slow... and i said "Have you ever played a FF" just like FF12? because the pace is almost the same

and that there are different types of combat speed and CS (combat systems) in every games.. turn based... slow... fast.. and its the matter of preference..

Originally Posted by DarkStar

I am aware of this, and I don't mind a slower pace of combat, so long as things are balanced around that. My point is that trying to compare FFXIV: ARR and FFXII is like comparing apples and oranges

i havent compared ARR and FFXII.. i compared the pace of FFXIV (old version, before ARR) to FFXII.. have you even read my posting before and which person and text i refered to? (everyone talked about 1.0. combat being slow -> not ARR)

i just refered to ARR regarding small details such as visually stuff like these blue dots at the end of the zones etc.

Originally Posted by DarkStar

but that's just because most of the MMOs I've played

Originally Posted by ReplicaX

This is especially true with a MMORPG Vs a Single Player JRPG.

and thats where i have a problem with it ... did you even know that there is a turn based MMOrpg out there? (unfortunatley i forgot the name)... and i dont think that a fast paced combat is a must for MMO.. because 80% of MMorpg players know it like that from WoW...

when offline rpgs can have different combat systems... then a MMO can have it too! point.

and it also worked good in FFXI... people seem to have very close horizons when something becomes too "unconventional"...
especially in times of "fast food" combat systems today. (CoD, WoW, Diablo, Skyrim, FFXIII-3 etc.).. and the wow combat system has been copied in thousand other MMorpgs since it came out..

Originally Posted by Tonkra

and thats where i have a problem with it ...

FFXI was Real Time System game. It was not Turn based. My MMO days are before WoW's time and idc about WoW's influence.

I feel the bigger picture is our differences. I like the series due to the differences in it's releases. Also why I didn't want XIV to be a XI-2.

Both Real Time and Turn Based Systems allow players to think and plan strategies and learn from trial and error. I don't look at Real Time Systems as button mashers and Turn Based Systems as slow either.

Originally Posted by Tonkra

especially in times of "fast food" combat systems today. (CoD, WoW, Diablo, Skyrim, FFXIII-3 etc.).. and the wow combat system has been copied in thousand other MMorpgs since it came out..

All this continues to tell me is you dislike Real/Active Time Battle Systems. You label them "Fast Food" Combat systems of basically today. Yet in the 80s and 90s RPGs were a flood of Turn Based Systems and modifications of it (example: ATB). Everyone copies everyone. Then and now.

WoW clone is irrelevant, past practice in Video Games history proves that.

Originally Posted by DarkStar

Really, in the end, I just find it kind of weird that people keep insisting on judging FFXIV by its predecessors, when it's obviously its own game.

Because change terrifies so many gamers. Just look at the highest selling games. CoD franchise and EA sports franchise, which are churned out every year with, at roots, no real differences between the last one. Even the devs said they wont change things as it would "annoy the fans". Assassins creed is another series that practically just reskins the same game every version. So many players base their expectations on the previous game and don't approach new games as a new game.

Also look how many call Miqo'te Mithra and Lallafell Tarutaru. Or /whisper when there is no whisper, or the MArketboard an auction house, even though they are two totally different systems.