Thread: Garuda 1.0

Originally Posted by Mogi

fight was so slow i fell a sleep

I still remember posts in the 1.o forums claiming combat was too fast, because they couldn't chat with party/friends/LS duuring fights >.< Yeah, I know, hard to believe, but true. Same players went postal when someone suggested they added jump in 1.0 too. 1.0 combat was actually faster than ffxis combat XD

Originally Posted by Tonkra

All these "gameplay is too slow" arguments

... have you ever played a FINAL FANTASY before, huh?

For heaven's sake, Vaan looks more ready to attack in that picture than the PLD did fighting Garuda. Do you realize you just made me say that Vaan, of all people, is doing something better?

Originally Posted by Tonkra

i talk about the combat speed.. not about animations..

Point still stands, even if it's not a counter to anything you said. >_>

Something to keep in mind about FFXII is that it uses an ATB system which necessarily slows it down. FFXIV, on the other hand, uses a Global Cooldown. Unlike the ATB system, Global Cooldowns allow exceptions in the form of Off-GCD abilities. EVERYTHING in FFXII depended on you charging up an ATB gauge before you could do something, even using an item or making an auto-attack.

Really, in the end, I just find it kind of weird that people keep insisting on judging FFXIV by its predecessors, when it's obviously its own game.

Also, just sorta curious, but has anyone checked how long it takes to charge up the ATB gauge in FFXII without any of the Action Speed licenses? Unless it takes less than 2.5 seconds to charge the ATB, then FFXII is just as fast as FFXIV.

Originally Posted by Tonkra

All these "gameplay is too slow"

... have you ever played a FINAL FANTASY before, huh?

just sayin... slow combat can have some tactical components in it. But i understand, that WOW, CoD, Skyrim Players etc. may in some parts never understand this ^

I have played and beaten every numbered FF in the series within the year of its release (FFIII on DS release) and your point is still rather moot. Tactical components in a combat system can be in anything regardless of its speed.

You seem to forget a very basic fundamental of the series. Nowhere does it state the Battle System has to be a standard format or speed.

This is especially true with a MMORPG Vs a Single Player JRPG.

Originally Posted by Tonkra

All these "gameplay is too slow" arguments

... have you ever played a FINAL FANTASY before, huh?

Since when did you control a full party as one person in FFXIV? Terrible comprison is terrible.

Fast combat does not mean it isn't or can't be as much as or even more tactical than slow combat. Only difference is less down time between attacks to plan, you have think on the fly. Just like the difference between RTS and turn based stragey games.

You do realize that most animations are exactly the same as in 1.0 right? Or rather that they removed all the unique animations for each race and instead only left one set of animations for all the races, which I think are either Hyur or Miqote. Although they did leave the old Roe MRD/WAR unsheathed weapon stances and Lalafell ACN/SMN/SCH weapon stances are also unique, probably due to their size and clipping issues more than anything. There are new animations for sure but most animations that carried over are just sped up.

Most animations got the speed treatment and were ported into the same skeletons clipping or sense be damned!

Was nice when each race had it's own personallity in their stance in holding weapons, walking, running, attacking. I will admit early game had some really bland motions, as weighted as they were a marauder had like skills that all made the axe swing the same way.

I'd have prefered if we kept the unique animations to be honest, but hell I'm "That guy" who misses the weighted motion our characters had instead of sliding on the floor. As much as people refuse to admit we could have kept those without actually slowing us down with good animation blending. I feel alot of XIV 2.0 was "Throw the baby out with the bathwater" we lost alot of the feeling that the world was alive in almost all aspects of the game.

We lost our sense of community.
We lost our sense of momentum.
We lost our sense of exploration.
We lost our sense of accomplishment.

That's just what I feel, and to be honest I'm in a minority of people who actually care about these things. To many it seems the utillity they added is worth the price we payed.