Missed ONE >>1<< Duty Finder commence, and now I have 30 minutes penalty.

[Rysir]

Yes it would be a loophole as it allows a party to get around the three strike rule if there was no joint strikes.

Whats the loophole?That one person can no longer hit withdraw and has 2 options: hit withdraw for his one last giggle or play for real and the only way to get another withdraw in would be if it was a joint trolling effort. Besides anyone and their mother can sit on 2/3 strikes and still play already and its extremely easy: Create party-> withdraw 2 times -> commence. Right now with a blanket strike system any idiot can ruin the day of 3 or more people just by hitting withdraw while having a system that strikes the person at fault would let that person get singled out and booted.
There is no loophole in creating a party full of 2/3 strike players as they could never get their third strike anyway if the plan was to actually play. Making a party just to sit at 2/3 and then play for real is not a loophole. A loophole would be getting 3 strikes and playing anyway.

[Fellisin]

Whats the loophole?

I just explained it twice already.

No because the loophole would allows them to get around the three strike rule by having a collective pool of free strikes.

[Rysir]

I just explained it twice already.

No because the loophole would allows them to get around the three strike rule by having a collective pool of free strikes.

Again I'll say it, it would be a loop hole if the person had received their 3 strikes but still play anyway. Sitting on 2/3 and then playing for real is NOT a loophole thats called acting stupid then playing for real.

[Fellisin]

Again I'll say it, it would be a loop hole if the person had received their 3 strikes but still play anyway. Sitting on 2/3 and then playing for real is NOT a loophole thats called acting stupid then playing for real.

You just seem to ignore the fact that in party with no joint strikes. Strikes can be pooled. You keep focusing on individual and ignoring the collective. A person could get two strikes, the next player also can get two strikes and so on. Thus a party of two can withdraw from a queue four times,and party of three can withdraw six times and so on. Thus a duty will still have a problem with withdrawals. Also that people can game the system by sharing the penalties thus avoiding the three strike rule.

No, there would be no loop hole. With 2 player parties, each player would get 2 withdraws, so 4 total withdraws from the queue. If they queued as individuals, each would get 2 withdraws and the result is 4 total withdraws from the queue. The number of withdraws as seen by other players (who are the ones "hurt" by this) is no different whatsoever. There's no loophole.

More to the point there's absolutely no reason for a party to game the system to get "more" withdraws on a per player basis. You cannot join in progress as a group, so you can't fish for in progress groups. You can form alliances for ST so there's no reason for different groups to fish for each other like they used to. As shown, even if you're so bored out of your mind that you want to troll other people with all your withdraw attempts, doing it as a group does not get you any more attempts to troll the queue than everybody in the group doing it on their own. So even if you only gave a strike to

Who said anything about fishing for in progress groups?. They could just keep deciding to drop out. They could just ask their mates to drop out for them so they don't get that third strike.

[Rysir]

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So? Thats not ONE person getting multiple withdraws thats a party of trolls juggling strikes as a whole. Thats not a loophole of one person getting 6/3 strikes thats multiple people getting 2/3. That is not a loophole that is called trolling.

[Fellisin]

So? Thats not ONE person getting multiple withdraws thats a party of trolls juggling strikes as a whole. Thats not a loophole of one person getting 6/3 strikes thats multiple people getting 2/3. That is not a loophole that is called trolling.

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.

Welcome to the new police state that is FFXIV. Maybe just maybe Yoshi and co need to worry more about making quality content or ACTUALLY fixing the duty finder instead of trying to police the player base something would get done.

The fact is the current penalty system for withdrawing or not hitting commence is lazy and was not thought out very well. Here's an idea instead of the new penalize everyone, they hide the in progress bar, make in progress work as in if you check in progress you get in progress or take it out completely. There is no need for them to do what they did when all they had to do was fix the current system. I just gave 3 options that would have worked better than this pile of steaming crap they gave us.

Yet withdrawals have drop massively.

[Rysir]

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.

But then at the end of the day they are only hurting themselves unlike today which they can hurt everyone. Are you saying you have no issue with people hopping into your party and giving you 3 strikes when it could be changed so only that one person who has nothing better to do but be a pain get the strikes?

[maxthunder1]

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.



Yet withdrawals have drop massively.

Really I stilll see withdrawls a lot of them.

[Giantbane]

Who said anything about fishing for in progress groups?. They could just keep deciding to drop out. They could just ask their mates to drop out for them so they don't get that third strike.

Why on earth would someone keep walking away during the 45 second commencement window in such a planned manner that they can coordinate with their friends in order to get a few extra withdraws for themselves (at their friends expense mind you)? Out of the million or so situations where this might come up, this *MIGHT* happen once per day. Maybe. It may as well not even exist.

Only reason you might try to do this is trolling. But you're not gaining anything. Trolls in a group of 3 get 9 attempts to troll. Trolls acting as 3 individuals get 3 attempts to troll on their own and 9 attempts to troll total. Nothing gained. And what's even worse is that the group of 3 is trolling at most 21 people (ST), but an individual will be trolling up to 23 people (again ST). So really, because more people get affected when they do it as individuals, group trolling is in a sense "better" since it affects fewer outside people, and they don't get any more attempts at it.

[maxthunder1]

I just explained it twice already.

No because the loophole would allows them to get around the three strike rule by having a collective pool of free strikes.

Welcome to the new police state that is FFXIV. Maybe just maybe Yoshi and co need to worry more about making quality content or ACTUALLY fixing the duty finder instead of trying to police the player base something would get done.

The fact is the current penalty system for withdrawing or not hitting commence is lazy and was not thought out very well. Here's an idea instead of the new penalize everyone, they hide the in progress bar, make in progress work as in if you check in progress you get in progress or take it out completely. There is no need for them to do what they did when all they had to do was fix the current system. I just gave 3 options that would have worked better than this pile of steaming crap they gave us.