DRG has been broken for far too long. Fix it SE

[silentwindfr]

*sighs* i like people talking of jobs that they have try really...
Ninja ninjutsu have 20 second of CD, one of them are simply a huge lost of dps if you mess up, it's huton. when you miss the trick attack it's a 60 second cd lost... if you mess up a ninjutsu exept when you you burn kassastu for cover up, but 180 second CD.

now let's talk of the monk, if you mess up the position you loose dps, if you move too far from the boss and loose GL you will simply have a dps inferior at anybody for 18+ second.

DRG have 2 positional skill... impluse drive that need to be done from back and heavy thrust that needed to be done from side. some skill have already did receive a boost of potency like full thrust that now have 330 potency instead of the 300 from the 2.0.

i want to add something, every melee dps, for get the best dps possible... ask to play perfectly! not only the dragoon. other point, dragoon up the damage of the bard (you always have a bard in the team). my only grips with dragoon is he mdef and the lack of... badass from him skill.... jump is clearly not enough for define the whole jobs. from what i have heard you can expect some change about this in the 3.0...

ps: DRG is not worthless and irrelevant... it's the player that make it look like this, i doubt they had the ninja without double check the other dps, the game balance is not as bad as people are saying it.

[pompey_dan]

*sighs*
ps: DRG is not worthless and irrelevant... it's the player that make it look like this

I guess all us top end DRGs need lessons from you, please tell me how to DRG, O wait you haven't even set foot into second coil let alone final coil, anything you say about class balance in difficult content is irrelevant because you haven't done any difficult content lol.


Back to topic I really hope we hear something from SE soon, I really don't wanna have to change main to monk or ninja just to beat t13

[Lord_Zlatan]

just watch the 3.0 vids... DRG will probably get buffed to the point of being OP.

[KitanaiKoneko]

So, When just MNK was better than DRG for dps it was fine, but now that MNK and NIN are better, DRG has become the WAR of 2.0 and its the end of the world?

[Mardel]

So, When just MNK was better than DRG for dps it was fine, but now that MNK and NIN are better, DRG has become the WAR of 2.0 and its the end of the world?

Well, a lot of people already complained about it in the past. The big difference now is progression groups that wanted to split the gear of the two melee will do their best to avoid bringing dragoon since ninja has a different left side set. With goad and all the utility/burst ninja brings it would be silly to bring a class that requires more healing, has less dps, and is severely hampered by positional skills.

[Warlyx]

Well, a lot of people already complained about it in the past. The big difference now is progression groups that wanted to split the gear of the two melee will do their best to avoid bringing dragoon since ninja has a different left side set. With goad and all the utility/burst ninja brings it would be silly to bring a class that requires more healing, has less dps, and is severely hampered by positional skills.

ehm? mnk and drg have different left side set too , only share right side...and if u change drg > NIN ....u have the same issue but with bard now.

Drg Mdef needs a buff we all agree on that , but saying that DRG are worthless and no1 will take a Drg to Coil is far from true.

[Souljacker]

ehm? mnk and drg have different left side set too , only share right side...and if u change drg > NIN ....u have the same issue but with bard now.

Drg Mdef needs a buff we all agree on that , but saying that DRG are worthless and no1 will take a Drg to Coil is far from true.

I think what he meant was when the choice is between a DRG and a NIN - all other things being equal (ilvl, skill) - the party leader will prefer the NIN because of DRG's other weaknesses instead of just flipping a coin because they are both equally strong and useful. That's not good game design. Last night I was talking with a guy in my linkshell who also mained BLM and he's jumped on NIN. Says he loves it and won't come back to BLM. NIN is his new main.

I'm glad that they made the job fun, but it doesn't need to trample all other jobs. Monk doesn't either, for that matter. It's time for DRG to be tweaked.

[Mardel]

ehm? mnk and drg have different left side set too , only share right side...and if u change drg > NIN ....u have the same issue but with bard now.

Drg Mdef needs a buff we all agree on that , but saying that DRG are worthless and no1 will take a Drg to Coil is far from true.

To clarify what I'm saying is if people want to avoid double stacking jobs for progression, though monk + monk is OP. You would bring a ninja over drg because of all of drg's weakness compared to ninja's strength. You see both jobs share RIGHT side accessories with another and that is unavoidable, but by bringing a ninja you can feed your monk (which is better than drg currently) and push content faster.

[Lord_Zlatan]

So, When just MNK was better than DRG for dps it was fine, but now that MNK and NIN are better, DRG has become the WAR of 2.0 and its the end of the world?

the point is, its really not... People crying for buffs to DRG because its too hard or because they get penalized too much for missing (what is the only difficult part of playing DRG) positionals don't realize that without that DRG would basically be unfettered sustain dps plus huge spike damage. This is the only thing that holds DRG back from being unbalanced in favor of it.

MDEF sucks. this is true. This needs to be fixed. SOME potency upgrades on DoT attacks could be beneficial as well. Increasing a flat % damage would be too much IMO.

[Fayto]

So, When just MNK was better than DRG for dps it was fine, but now that MNK and NIN are better, DRG has become the WAR of 2.0 and its the end of the world?

You're not understanding the argument. Back when it was just Monk and Dragoon, Dragoon did something different than Monk and thus had a place in the party. Now that Ninja is out, Dragoon has lost that niche. Ninja does Dragoon but better. Dragoon no longer fills a niche and thus has a risk at being discriminated against.