Can we have challenging and rewarding 4 man content, please?

[Riepah]

remember pharos sirius? difficult 4 man instances don't go over well

If you read two posts before yours you'd see that, yes, we do remember Pharos Sirius. The reason it didn't go over well was because the rewards it gave was the same junk you got from the easier dungeons implemented in the same patch, and it was put in the same roulette as well. How many people would do coil if the rewards it gave were garbage?

It is an unfortunate but undeniable truth that people in MMOs want a carrot on a stick to chase. If that carrot is months old and rotten, there's not much incentive to chase it.

[jars]

If you read two posts before yours you'd see that, yes, we do remember Pharos Sirius. The reason it didn't go over well was because the rewards it gave was the same junk you got from the easier dungeons implemented in the same patch, and it was put in the same roulette as well. How many people would do coil if the rewards it gave were garbage?

It is an unfortunate but undeniable truth that people in MMOs want a carrot on a stick to chase. If that carrot is months old and rotten, there's not much incentive to chase it.

so what exactly do you want it to give? it already gives tomes, which are the next best thing besides raid gear. if you want a 4 man to give gear on par with coil then tough luck, SE doesn't want to do that.

PS is literally exactly what you asked for. everyone hated it.

[Dwill]

PS is literally exactly what you asked for. everyone hated it.

Everyone that couldn't stop tunnel visioning hated it*.

The encounters were still easy if you stopped zerging them and payed attention for 2 seconds to the mechanics.

[Nestama]

so what exactly do you want it to give? it already gives tomes, which are the next best thing besides raid gear.

i75 gear would have been nice. Better than Philosophy, but still lower than the Labyrinth of the Ancients i80 gear.

I loved Pharos Sirius 2.1 and I loved teaching players the mechanics of the fights. I always ran as SCH and 100% of the time, we would always beat the dungeon, because people listened and knew what to do. My only complaint was that it needed better rewards.

[Leigaon]

While these new dungeons or most of the dungeons have fun moments to them and also are just beautiful. They're all mostly making sure that you follow the mechanics, dodging the right stuff or doing DPS checks. What might make this stuff more fun is maybe adding a bit of environmental RNG to this, mix it up with a mob or two that have some nasty abilities that make me use my Divine Seal and other abilities not because I want to but because it might be needed.

Though the thread talks about adding more challenging 4 man content maybe we can boost the current a bit more. A harder 4 man primal does sound nice.