Can we have challenging and rewarding 4 man content, please?

[Riepah]

Who said anything about removing casual dungeon content?

This thread is about ADDING 4-man raid-difficulty content. I'm all for it.

Exactly. Thank you for clarifying that.

The casual dungeons are all nice and fine, and this thread is in no way asking to remove any of them. Not ALL of the new dungeons should be harder and more rewarding, but SOME should be, and they should get their own roulette, separate from the easier dungeons.

[Kule]

If anything I think SE needs to add 8 man dungeons back in like Cutters and AV from 1.23 and return some sort of middle ground between 4 man content and coil.

[LineageRazor]

If anything I think SE needs to add 8 man dungeons back in like Cutters and AV from 1.23 and return some sort of middle ground between 4 man content and coil.

The very concept of 8-man is a large part of the problem. It is DIFFICULT to put together a lasting, competent team of eight members, and for many people THAT is the largest bar in progressing through endgame.

Putting together a competent team of four members is, well, half as difficult.

More 8-man dungeon runs wouldn't be a bad thing, but it doesn't solve the problem this thread is trying to address: difficult content tailored to a smaller group.

[Riepah]

Both puggable 8 player dungeons as well as more challenging 4 player content would be very welcomed by me, personally. Just more things actually worth doing that don't require 8 coordinated players.

[Luvbunny]

What they can do is, to add a "harder version" of existing dungeons, you can only do these via Party Finder, no Duty Finder whatsoever. The way you do it is by spending some Grand Company seals for key items, they can make it cost 15k GC Seals. Harder Version should yields more crafting materials that are sought after, plus level appropriate gears (110 gears would be good) and very rare off chance of 120 gears. Obviously it should give you around 60 soldiery tomes and 45 poetic.

[Riepah]

What they can do is, to add a "harder version" of existing dungeons, you can only do these via Party Finder, no Duty Finder whatsoever. The way you do it is by spending some Grand Company seals for key items, they can make it cost 15k GC Seals. Harder Version should yields more crafting materials that are sought after, plus level appropriate gears (110 gears would be good) and very rare off chance of 120 gears. Obviously it should give you around 60 soldiery tomes and 45 poetic.

Uhm, why exactly do you want to slap a GC fee on these dungeons?

[Morningstar1337]

Uhm, why exactly do you want to slap a GC fee on these dungeons?

Fear that the GCs are irrelevant as far as Gameplay goes?

[Riepah]

What they can do is, to add a "harder version" of existing dungeons, you can only do these via Party Finder, no Duty Finder whatsoever. The way you do it is by spending some Grand Company seals for key items, they can make it cost 15k GC Seals. Harder Version should yields more crafting materials that are sought after, plus level appropriate gears (110 gears would be good) and very rare off chance of 120 gears. Obviously it should give you around 60 soldiery tomes and 45 poetic.

The idea is to have content that is easy to get into, but challenging to complete. Putting it in duty finder is perfectly fine, as long as the harder dungeons have their own roulette, separate from the current "hard"modes - People should be aware that they're signing up for something difficult they might not be able to complete with the group they get, but they shouldn't be locked out of attempting it. Having to spend seals for entry goes pretty much directly against the idea of making it easily accessible.

[Luvbunny]

I am all about "accessible" content, BUT putting this "harder" mode dungeon on duty finder is a surefire way you will get 50/50 chance of running into trolls, new players, bad players, too dense to learn players, etc... "People should be aware" reason is not enough when 80% of the players simply DO NOT read, cannot read, refuse to read, and have very little skill in comprehension. They will sign up for anything that is new, or if it gives you more rewards. Then half your time will be spent in "explaining the mechanic" to your group, wiping over and over, dealing with rage quitter, etc.

[Riepah]

I am all about "accessible" content, BUT putting this "harder" mode dungeon on duty finder is a surefire way you will get 50/50 chance of running into trolls, new players, bad players, too dense to learn players, etc... "People should be aware" reason is not enough when 80% of the players simply DO NOT read, cannot read, refuse to read, and have very little skill in comprehension. They will sign up for anything that is new, or if it gives you more rewards. Then half your time will be spent in "explaining the mechanic" to your group, wiping over and over, dealing with rage quitter, etc.

But where exactly is the problem in that? Honestly, I'd rather have the option to get a DF group than being forced to make my own. For people who'd rather avoid DF, they wouldn't have to use it at all and could stick to PF only. They could put a little confirmation window on the hardest dungeon roulette, pointing out that you're about to sign up for difficult content for which pre-made groups are recommended, so nobody ends up in there without knowing the risks.