Up Commencement Time to 60 Seconds

[NyarukoW]

...Story quests and load zones seem like somewhat reasonable tasks to execute while waiting for a long queue..

There are only a limited amount of story quests. And people should not be changing zones all the time. The odds of those colliding with a queue pop is really low, so the 3 strikes per day are more than adequate insurance against that. So you earned 1 strike, it is not a big deal, you got a string of your story done quests done in exchange. This is a fair and reasonable exchange for reasonable tasks.

[Ophie-Mio]

Because those people are obviously in the middle of something and it's not too much to ask the queue system to simply skip over them until they are not busy.

If you're in the middle of something, you need to address that issue yourself and hit Withdraw before the queue pops. It's not SE's responsibility to make sure that your spot is easily accessible again once life comes at you. It doesn't matter if you won't notice it, it's the principle of the matter.

If I'm busy and know I'm going to be away, I shouldn't be in the queue.

[Alistaire]

Upping the time to 60 seconds would still make shorter queue times than when it was 45 and people could abandon without penalty. This is a great suggestion, probably should've happened right along with the change to penalize people for ditching 3 times.

[Giantbane]

If you're in the middle of something, you need to address that issue yourself and hit Withdraw before the queue pops. It's not SE's responsibility to make sure that your spot is easily accessible again once life comes at you. It doesn't matter if you won't notice it, it's the principle of the matter.

If I'm busy and know I'm going to be away, I shouldn't be in the queue.

busy means you're loading between zone or in the middle of a cutscene if you're feeling generous, maybe in the middle of a craft. I'm not using busy in a general sense, it's very specific instances that tie into normal game play.

[Alistaire]

Busy can also be "running through east shroud agro-land looking for my weekly and queue pops and the safest non-agro spot to change back to the right job is about a minute away."

Another option would be to make dungeons work like frontlines where you can queue into it and then change job, but only right at the start.

[Giantbane]

Busy can also be "running through east shroud agro-land looking for my weekly and queue pops and the safest non-agro spot to change back to the right job is about a minute away."

Another option would be to make dungeons work like frontlines where you can queue into it and then change job, but only right at the start.

What would be ideal is to be able to hit commence on any class and have it automatically swap you to the correct job and reset all cooldowns when you load. I'm sure that's not a trivial change tho.

[Alistaire]

Considering you might have several gearsets for 1 job, how would it know what to equip? Unless queueing up would become gearset-dependent...it could work, any appropriate gearset would at least get you on the job, you can switch gearsets in dungeon as long as it doesn't attempt to change your job. That might be a bit complex though, and could in theory be abused if someone wanted. Queue up as tank, change job, put your only tank weapon on a retainer, then troll 3 people as you show up in a dungeon unable to perform the tank role.

[Giantbane]

Considering you might have several gearsets for 1 job, how would it know what to equip? Unless queueing up would become gearset-dependent...it could work, any appropriate gearset would at least get you on the job, you can switch gearsets in dungeon as long as it doesn't attempt to change your job. That might be a bit complex though, and could in theory be abused if someone wanted. Queue up as tank, change job, put your only tank weapon on a retainer, then troll 3 people as you show up in a dungeon unable to perform the tank role.

It would be whatever gear you had equipped when queuing, perhaps only able to execute this if all that stuff is still in your armory somewhere.

The potential for abuse is part of what makes this a non trivial change, even if it would be a good addition if they could make it work.

[Barboron]

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I understand they are in the middle of something but they 3+ other people are in the middle of something, in the middle of waiting for the instance they have queued for and have left themselves available to press the commence button for. The rules that apply to that 1 person in the cutscene apply to every other person that has been grouped together by the party finder. Again, extreme case, 4 people queued for DF and 3 of them are in a cutscene, that's 1 person left waiting on cutscenes which we have no telling how long they will be. And again, what if someone abused it and stayed in a cutscene and went AFK? That would never commence if it was put on hold.

Upping the time to 60 seconds would still make shorter queue times than when it was 45 and people could abandon without penalty. This is a great suggestion, probably should've happened right along with the change to penalize people for ditching 3 times.

How does this even make sense? And without it even have been implemented, you can't prove that even though you state it as if it were fact. We have a shortage of tanks as is, and 15seconds sounds like a very short time but let me put it into some perspective here. Let's say you have an endless supply of DPS and healers queuing all for the same instance but they are all waiting on tanks all the time. You have 10 tanks to cover everybody who are instantly queuing after finishing a single instance. However, each tank is delayed by up to a possible additional 15 seconds. Of course, this won't happen to ALL of them, but it will happen. Over the course of time these additional delays will stack up and not just over the course of 1 day but this game has been out for well over a year with a commence time of 45 seconds.

I'm sure if SE would provide us with the necessary numbers of how many times a person(s) has not pressed the commence button for a single duty and multiplied that by 15seconds we would see a lot of time wasted.

[Giantbane]

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