Up Commencement Time to 60 Seconds

[LunaHoshino]

Things I did yesterday while waiting on a single queue:

- Sent my retainers on ventures and managed my MB stuff
- Killed an S rank
- Did a FATE
- Did three levequests

And, amazingly enough, I managed to hit 'Commence' when it popped. The idea that you have to sit around in a sanctuary and not do anything while you're waiting on a queue is patently false. You just have to be intelligent about what you choose to do and not start something that you can't extricate yourself from in 45 seconds.

[Toodles]

The idea that you have to sit around in a sanctuary and not do anything while you're waiting on a queue is patently false. You just have to be intelligent about what you choose to do and not start something that you can't extricate yourself from in 45 seconds.

When a loadscreen can cause you to miss commencement, it's a problem.

Sure, we've used hyperbole ("virtually nothing") but never did we say you can't do anything at all.

[Airget]

The timer was set at 45 seconds to give consideration to players who have already selected to commence the content, and as such we do not have any plans at the moment to increase this.

Ya but I feel they aren't looking at it from the current perspective based on changes they have made to it.

DF was designed for ease of content, however with the latest 30 min timer penalty this has added a risk for DD players with longer wait times compared to healers and tank and because of this risk, missing a commence isn't as simple as oh I can just re-queue it's cool it turns into, I have to stare at my computer and wait it out cause if I miss it then I"m locked out from doing anything for 30 minutes.

There is no consideration for 2/4 of the party but there is consideration for the tanks and healers that can get parties faster? Their wait times aren't as bad by any means, they can afford to withdraw before a party starts, use the bathroom come back and put duty back up. DD can't do they they risk losing their spot if they do get caught in a commence when they are MIA for 45 seconds. And then waiting another 30 mins on top of the 30+ they spent waiting for a Duty in the first place.

[Zarzak]

you know what is funny? Far as I know FFXIV is the only MMO where this is even debated. The rest (from what I remember) just let you zone in as soon as your able..... and I never recall anyone having an issue with this.

[LunaHoshino]

When a loadscreen can cause you to miss commencement, it's a problem.

Sure, we've used hyperbole ("virtually nothing") but never did we say you can't do anything at all.

And if you miss commencement once, nothing happens. If you miss it twice, nothing happens.

This is also why you should keep the DF window open so that you can track how close your queue is to popping. It's probably not a good idea to teleport around if your queue is sitting at 1/2 2/2 3/4. And I say this as someone who routinely gets stuck in loading hell.

[Ophie-Mio]

DF was designed for ease of content, however with the latest 30 min timer penalty this has added a risk for DD players with longer wait times compared to healers and tank and because of this risk, missing a commence isn't as simple as oh I can just re-queue it's cool it turns into, I have to stare at my computer and wait it out cause if I miss it then I"m locked out from doing anything for 30 minutes.

There is no consideration for 2/4 of the party but there is consideration for the tanks and healers that can get parties faster?

When I explained my scenario, I did so using all my knowledge of it, which also includes my time as a DPS queuer.

There is no risk other than just figure out the things you can reasonably do while waiting. These statements about how people can't even go to the bathroom is so silly. I've done all these things on everything except tank. I've done SO much while in a queue and never had any issues. Hell, if I'm so worried, I'll fate hop and stay away from from what I know is a beefier boss. Why attempt Cancer on a different job when I'm in DF and I have NO idea what's going to happen there?

And the reasonable portion of the people that are answering here are not giving examples of how wonderful it is that they are healer/tank and can do whatever. Take the dps vs healer/tank queues somewhere else. I have no idea where you're getting that it's giving healer/tank more consideration considering that we are restricted by the same things. In case of a healer in T7 queue last night, 20 minute queue + timer runs out + 29 minute queue. What you're arguing about is how much DPS queues suck when you've missed it.

Long story short, if you can't handle the responsibility of queueing for DF and actually hitting commence in the 45 seconds that they've given, then you obviously shouldn't be in a DF.

[NyarukoW]

Extending the transaction processing time from 45 to 60 seconds is a system wide queueing efficiency loss of 33%. This is a non-starter. If it was just me or you waiting 15 seconds more, it is not a problem, I am in no rush, but the reality is for that 15 seconds you are seeing the tree and missing the forest. There is more that just me and you in line, there are people behind us and those further behind them. This will congest the system more and lengthen wait time, and that is foolish trade-off to make.

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The major issue isn't the 3-withdrawal penalty,

Really. Then why even argue for a foolish 15 seconds extension?

it's having to requeue over again.
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Well if you don't requeue, what else are you going to do. The train left the station, the plane had to take off on schedule, you can't expect the whole train/plane load to wait for you to finish your angry birds game to get on board now can you? Be ready to go. Do stuff that has a 15 second bail out path planned out, it is just like defense driving, always be aware of the situation and have an exit path planned.

[Toodles]

Extending the transaction processing time from 45 to 60 seconds is a system wide queueing efficiency loss of 33%...

Your math is so wrong... missed commencements have an affect on queue times as well; if it's a tank or healer, the wait could be much longer.

Not every time you're placed back in queue is it instantaneous. In fact, it's rare, but you're subject to another dropped-queue.

Sure, there's sometimes trolling involved with purposefully dropped-queues but that's been helped tremendously by the implementation of the drop-penalty.

It's nigh-impossible to tell, but I could bet that upping it (effectively reducing the number of missed-commencements) would actually reduce net queue times overall.

[Giantbane]

Well then perhaps you need a warning before entering a cutscene that you are queued for a duty as you are taking the risk, not the 3+ other people.

Perhaps they should not kick off a dungeon when one of the players is in the middle of a cutscene, loading between zones, or dead. If the queue wants to start and one of the members is in such a state, it should either wait till the blocking state has been resolved or that person should be replaced within the queue before showing the "commence". A person replaced this way would be put back in the front of the line for the next available group.

[NyarukoW]

Your math is so wrong... missed commencements have an affect on queue times as well; ...

Prove that my math is wrong. If you don't got the mathematical proof you are just making up stories.

Missed commencements have an impact, that 3,7,or 23 other people all waited for a total of 2minutes 15 sconds, 5minutes and 15 seconds, or 17minuteand 25 seconds combined. But at least they are not being held up for another 33% more and they will be matched immediately again for the next available. And the people behind them in in line are also not held up, because they were stuck.

If anything there should not be an withdraw button, and people just get dumped into instance (auto cancel lose everything else, rng blows up crafting sometimes too this is just one more unlucky rng) and if the system can not auto switch them to the right class, they get to be naked in dungeon and the other players can vote kick them if they so choose.