Up Commencement Time to 60 Seconds

[IceSpear]

Why is it so hard to just click commence when it pops? I queue as dps, healer, tank and I always click commence, not once ever I had I missed the queue popping since 2.4 went live. And even in the past, I may have missed a queue pop or two in the 6 months prior because I got called to go fix the broken toilet or something and forgot all about the queue. I should have done the nice thing of leaving the queue first, but when an emergency calls, that is priority. So if I get strike I fully deserve it.

So every time I need to go in another room or need to get my dog in I should just leave the que? I don't think so.

[NyarukoW]

So every time I need to go in another room or need to get my dog in I should just leave the que? I don't think so.

If you know you can not be back in 45 seconds, you should leave the queue out of courtesy to everyone else. Just like in real life, if you need to do whatever for your kid, dog, etc. and you are drving, you don't get to stop in the middle of the road and hold everyone up, or talk obliviously on the phone while the light turns green etc. Whatever happened to common courtesy and respect for other players? They are not there to be taken for granted.

How about if you miss you queue for a legitimate reason and next time you queue it will put you first...

Why is this fair to anyone else? If you are waiting in lines at the movies, and you leave it to go to the bathroom, you do not get to cut in line. Usually you have your wife, husband, brother, sister whoever else with you to help hold your place, but if you ask the stranger behind you hold your place and line gets to the point where he has to go, and you are not back, you are not getting your place back. Furthermore it is actually quite rude to impose on to hold your place, you leave you go to the back of the line. And even if it your family, it is still quite rude to take them for granted this way, you take forever in the bathroom and everyone else passes them by because they are waiting for you, and wait there all by themselves for another however many minutes. Whatever happened to punctuality? Get your ducks in a row, go to the bathroom before you line up, should be common sense and common courtesy.

[Giantbane]

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Nyaruko, if someone has to get up to answer the door during an instance, do you scream at them and tell them how rude they are? Do you vote kick them out for wasting your time? Or is that an acceptable real life interruption you're willing to wait a couple min for?

Is it so wrong to brainstorm ways this type of idea might be integrated into the queue system?

[NyarukoW]

Nyaruko, if someone has to get up to answer the door during an instance, do you scream at them and tell them how rude they are?....

You know if they just go AFK without a word, I can promise you I will not the be first to start screaming at them. Usually they will have the good sense to ask for 1 minute or something. In which case everyone has a reasonable expectation of that is communicated. And after the minute, the group will decide whether if to vote kick. No screaming required.

The queuing system does not have communication between players from different server or players you don't even know you are going to get. Sure you can brainstorm about all the ways to integrate into the system, but if all it is unnecessary complications and more failure mode and troll opportunities, it is a non-starter. If any thing the system can use a simplification, removal of the withdraw button, and people will be forced into the instance. Whatever they were doing before that will be lost, canceled, etc.

Players will be required switch to their appropriate class while in instance in 45 seconds or less before that ring that surrounds the party goes away to progress into the instance. Failure to do so will cause them to be forcibly removed with a 30 minute penalty applied. Trolls that try to hide all the gear on their retainers and game the system will be punished appropriately People that choose to be AFK trolls will also be punished appropriately. Bottom if you don't want the withdraw penalty, you don't need the withdraw button. Right now it seems the withdraw button is like too much yarn for a cat to get itself strangled.

[MageBlack]

I would be happy if clicking "commence" just put your character back in the same state it was in when you entered the queue and overrides things like open transaction windows, market boards, cuscenes. etc. I've missed a queue before because I was frantically trying to exit out of my retainer, enter my character window, and change my job back. If I'm only on a controller, this is a real pain, one miss-click can really cost you precious seconds.

EDIT to add in other ideas:

During the time between queueing up and the queue popping, you have upgraded your weapon and two pieces of armor, and filled one or more of your armoury chest boxes.
You need to be able to account for this scenario from a programming/QOL standpoint before instituting it. You and I know this is unlikely, but the dozens of people that would be tossing GM tickets when they miss a queue because they got new pants didn't plan for it.


That said, I agree with 60 seconds being a good idea.

That is a valid point. So instead of putting you in the same state you queued in, how about just auto-equipping the gear set you queued with. If you made changes to that gearset, as long as you updated it, it would be fine. Not sure if this "solves" the problem but my solution was more for people who just want to make sure they get in, of course you still have the timer to make other adjustments before clicking commence. Ah! or have a third button that provides this option? "Commence" "Quick Commence" "Withdraw"?

How? Hit B (or circle if you're on a psx style controller) till all the windows are gone. Done. I've done this too.

Since I've seen a few people say this I would like to respond. That works fine if you are just looking through an options menu and i'm not saying i'm always in this situation. As for hotbarring a gearset, i already have 4 hotbars that are full on my main Job. I really dont want to add another one just for this.

Exiting out of your retainer takes a bit longer, you have to wait for them to say goodby, then disappear, and in the process you also close down your duty queue, unless you start adding in more buttons like select. if the queue closes, you still have to equip your gear, then open the duty window, go to the bottom, and enter it.

I'm lucky that most times I have my mouse and keyboard handy so I can click on windows which makes things easier, but there are so many reasons that a longer queue and/or a secondary button would aid things immensely. especially with such harsh penalties, I don't think as many people were abusing it as people think.

[MomomiMomi]

I would be happy if clicking "commence" just put your character back in the same state it was in when you entered the queue and overrides things like open transaction windows, market boards, cuscenes. etc. I've missed a queue before because I was frantically trying to exit out of my retainer, enter my character window, and change my job back. If I'm only on a controller, this is a real pain, one miss-click can really cost you precious seconds.

Now this, this is something we could really use.

[StouterTaru]

I would be happy if clicking "commence" just put your character back in the same state it was in when you entered the queue and overrides things like open transaction windows, market boards, cuscenes. etc. I've missed a queue before because I was frantically trying to exit out of my retainer, enter my character window, and change my job back. If I'm only on a controller, this is a real pain, one miss-click can really cost you precious seconds.

This for sure, can't count the number I've missed/barely made because I was doing FATEs as another job, and couldn't get switched over, mostly on Svara. Finally clear and ready to switch over... then ogre aggro.

Another solution is to see how long the actual queue is in front of you. Seeing that there are 100 dps sitting there before you changes things from seeing that you are number 5 in line.

[Silverbear]

I would be happy if clicking "commence" just put your character back in the same state it was in when you entered the queue and overrides things like open transaction windows, market boards, cuscenes. etc. I've missed a queue before because I was frantically trying to exit out of my retainer, enter my character window, and change my job back. If I'm only on a controller, this is a real pain, one miss-click can really cost you precious seconds.

This i can agree would be a good thing but as for uping the time from 45 to 60 sec for commence no thks 45 secs is more then enough time

[kyuven]

I would be happy if clicking "commence" just put your character back in the same state it was in when you entered the queue and overrides things like open transaction windows, market boards, cuscenes. etc. I've missed a queue before because I was frantically trying to exit out of my retainer, enter my character window, and change my job back. If I'm only on a controller, this is a real pain, one miss-click can really cost you precious seconds.

During the time between queueing up and the queue popping, you have upgraded your weapon and two pieces of armor, and filled one or more of your armoury chest boxes.
You need to be able to account for this scenario from a programming/QOL standpoint before instituting it. You and I know this is unlikely, but the dozens of people that would be tossing GM tickets when they miss a queue because they got new pants didn't plan for it.

That said, I agree with 60 seconds being a good idea.

[MageBlack]

During the time between queueing up and the queue popping, you have upgraded your weapon and two pieces of armor, and filled one or more of your armoury chest boxes.
You need to be able to account for this scenario from a programming/QOL standpoint before instituting it. You and I know this is unlikely, but the dozens of people that would be tossing GM tickets when they miss a queue because they got new pants didn't plan for it.


That said, I agree with 60 seconds being a good idea.

That is a valid point. So instead of putting you in the same state you queued in, how about just auto-equipping the gear set you queued with. If you made changes to that gearset, as long as you updated it, it would be fine. Not sure if this "solves" the problem but my solution was more for people who just want to make sure they get in, of course you still have the timer to make other adjustments before clicking commence. Ah! or have a third button that provides this option? "Commence" "Quick Commence" "Withdraw"?

How? Hit B (or circle if you're on a psx style controller) till all the windows are gone. Done. I've done this too.

Since I've seen a few people say this I would like to respond. That works fine if you are just looking through an options menu and i'm not saying i'm always in this situation. As for hotbarring a gearset, i already have 4 hotbars that are full on my main Job. I really dont want to add another one just for this.

Exiting out of your retainer takes a bit longer, you have to wait for them to say goodby, then disappear, and in the process you also close down your duty queue, unless you start adding in more buttons like select. if the queue closes, you still have to equip your gear, then open the duty window, go to the bottom, and enter it.

I'm lucky that most times I have my mouse and keyboard handy so I can click on windows which makes things easier, but there are so many reasons that a longer queue and/or a secondary button would aid things immensely. especially with such harsh penalties, I don't think as many people were abusing it as people think.

Also, to those complaining that "60 seconds is too long! I don't want to wait that long!" when you are already waiting 30min or more for the queue, whats another 60 seconds?