Thief should be a subjob.

[Brightwizard]

Rogue should be a starting class while Thief should remain as a subjob - akin to FFXI. Ninja aside, what kind of skills that makes Thief valuable and differentiate from Rogue? Throw some ideas, borrow some ideas from FFXIV.

I will scourge FFXI Wikipedia.

[Brightwizard]

Specializing in covert actions, Thieves (THF) aim for the perfect opportunity to attack the enemy. Using Sneak Attack and Trick Attack, thieves can inflict massive amounts of damage while 'tricking' the enemy into thinking it was someone else. Thieves also have the ability to steal amounts of enmity from players in their party with the abilities Accomplice and Collaborator. These abilities help to control the party's enmity levels, and trick enemies into thinking that the party's tank is the primary threat. Players starting the game as a Thief receive an Onion Knife.

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

I will never understand peoples desire to get Thief into this game. Rogue is Thief in all but name.

[Brightwizard]

I will never understand peoples desire to get Thief into this game. Rogue is Thief in all but name.

Rogue is classified as a scoundrel - a damage based class. Thief employs trickery, a trickster in itself and a mugger of treasures, also a damage based class as well.

[Ephier]

Rogue is classified as a scoundrel - a damage based class. Thief employs trickery, a trickster in itself and a mugger of treasures, also a damage based class as well.

If you read the story at all, rogues are thieves.

[Exstal]

Rogue is classified as a scoundrel - a damage based class. Thief employs trickery, a trickster in itself and a mugger of treasures, also a damage based class as well.

The problem is this; Naoki Yoshida (FFXIV's director) wanted to call Rogue, "Thief". However, the lore team said that that wouldn't fly because having a guild of thieves inside of a city state wouldn't make sense. Could you imagine down the street from your house are a bunch of blatant criminals who teach you that you should be robbing other people? So because of this line of thinking Thief was renamed to Rogue.

It also has Thief from FFXI's most known moves in it, as well as the iconic skill, "Mug". So unless they decide they want to add Thief as a secondary job to Rogue, we can just assume that Rogue is Thief and that's the end of the train of thought for the people currently working at SE. You don't have to like it but as per my sig, I perfectly understand why it'd be pointless (check that link if you want the full story).

[Brightwizard]

The problem is this; Naoki Yoshida (FFXIV's director) wanted to call Rogue, "Thief". However, the lore team said that that wouldn't fly because having a guild of thieves inside of a city state wouldn't make sense. Could you imagine down the street from your house are a bunch of blatant criminals who teach you that you should be robbing other people? So because of this line of thinking Thief was renamed to Rogue.

It also has Thief from FFXI's most known moves in it, as well as the iconic skill, "Mug". So unless they decide they want to add Thief as a secondary job to Rogue, we can just assume that Rogue is Thief and that's the end of the train of thought for the people currently working at SE. You don't have to like it but as per my sig, I perfectly understand why it'd be pointless (check that link if you want the full story).

You don't have to indoctrinate me with your opinion. Your sig means nothing.

[Meier]

The problem is this; Naoki Yoshida (FFXIV's director) wanted to call Rogue, "Thief". However, the lore team said that that wouldn't fly because having a guild of thieves inside of a city state wouldn't make sense. Could you imagine down the street from your house are a bunch of blatant criminals who teach you that you should be robbing other people? So because of this line of thinking Thief was renamed to Rogue.

It also has Thief from FFXI's most known moves in it, as well as the iconic skill, "Mug". So unless they decide they want to add Thief as a secondary job to Rogue, we can just assume that Rogue is Thief and that's the end of the train of thought for the people currently working at SE. You don't have to like it but as per my sig, I perfectly understand why it'd be pointless (check that link if you want the full story).

But even so, the guild itself is hidden. I don't really see much of a difference lol.

[Exstal]

But even so, the guild itself is hidden. I don't really see much of a difference lol.

"hidden" haha

This is a complete slap to the face for all THF players, we get no story past lvl 30, no AF, no relic, no THF specific abilities, and it seems trying to play it endgame isnt going to work. And dont give me that crap just use NIN, I want to main THF.... so get crackin Yoshi fix your mistakes.

That would imply it was an accident.

[hamsteak]

I will never understand peoples desire to get Thief into this game. Rogue is Thief in all but name.

it's about identity

classes essentially don't exist after level 30, and people (like myself) prefer the aesthetic of thief over ninja

i understand that thief will never be a part of this game, but if i want to play a dagger-wielding job at max level i'll have to be a ninja

at any rate... threads like this don't really serve a purpose anymore, it's clear ninja will be the only dagger-wielding job in this game, and no amount of complaining will change it