Coil 5 changes needed

[Lord_Zlatan]

In regards to the OP's suggestion specifically - moving to 16 people would be an option to minimize the importance of everyone doing their job, but I'd rather see a move to party sizes of 4-6. That's a lot easier for people with actual lives to set up schedules around.

2 things.

first, you make it seam like anyone that can routinely do 8man content in a static doesn't have a life. I have a full time job that often requires extra hours after close of business and I already work 40hrs a week. I have a 7 year old, and I am married. I have an active social life. I get to enjoy this game as much as anybody else. You need to adjust your expectations. I know that I will never be able to form a static at present. My solution is to wait for coil content lockout to be removed before I try it. Sure, ill get to start on FCOB 3 months after all the 'no lifers' get to, but who cares? Ill get it done eventually.

second... 16 people in Turn 5 is such a bad idea I can't believe people are actually entertaining it as a solution. If you even think it would be a good idea... idk... too much lol

[Kuwagami]

second... 16 people in Turn 5 is such a bad idea I can't believe people are actually entertaining it as a solution. If you even think it would be a good idea... idk... too much lol

actually it could end up rolling fine... provided you don't have more than 3 melees after that twisters will become an horrendous mess

[Lord_Zlatan]

actually it could end up rolling fine... provided you don't have more than 3 melees after that twisters will become an horrendous mess

having 16 people would increase the odds of having melee's in the PT (which isn't a problem for people who know what to do already). It would be a horrendous mess to being with. THe only way it would work is if you pushed twin so fast she died before that phase change even happened.

[Kuwagami]

having 16 people would increase the odds of having melee's in the PT (which isn't a problem for people who know what to do already). It would be a horrendous mess to being with. THe only way it would work is if you pushed twin so fast she died before that phase change even happened.

nah, if everyone is disciplined (so DF friendly, I give you that) and walk in straight line for twisters, everyone lives. Sad thing is, people won't have that much discipline (you just have to watch the mess in ST to know that) and it will become more difficult than the original fight if you can't burn phases

[Lord_Zlatan]

nah, if everyone is disciplined (so DF friendly, I give you that) and walk in straight line for twisters, everyone lives. Sad thing is, people won't have that much discipline (you just have to watch the mess in ST to know that) and it will become more difficult than the original fight if you can't burn phases

that last line there is why I think it is a terrible idea. Just get into an FC that helps people progress and 99% of these "I can't clear anything because no one helps me" threads would go away.

[Vhailor]

For some reason you think the difficulty of the fight and gathering the players are not related. The more difficult the fight the harder it's going to be to gather players that can beat it.

This is a multiplayer game and in a multiplayer game is the performance of the whole team that matters and not just your performance and no it is not horrible, horrible design. It's exactly how a multiplayer game should work.

Let me recommend single player games for you then, so you don't have to deal with teammates.

This has nothing to do with multiplayer games vs. single player titles. This has everything to do with the margin of error afforded - the margin of error that others can pick up on their own.

I'll put it this way; if I'm playing a team-based FPS and one of my teammates sucks, it doesn't mean that I lose every round. If I'm in an end-game alliance in FFXI and a person or two is derpish, we can still pull off victory in the vast majority of cases. FFXIV is the only multiplayer title that I've ever played featuring such all-or-nothing content - either everyone is decent-to-good, or everyone loses. That is, I repeat, horrible, horrible game design.

In fact, in direct response to you, Edli - in the current system, the team's performance doesn't matter in the slightest. What matters in most groups is solely the performance of the one person who makes the first mistake. The team overall can be playing at a very high level, but one person who slips up generally causes a wipe anyway.

Anyway, TL;DR - assuming that XIV's uniquely harsh end-game design is the only way (or even a good way) to implement team-based gameplay is absolutely laughable. Your comments were not remotely constructive, nor were they particularly valid from a rational standpoint.

2 things.

first, you make it seam like anyone that can routinely do 8man content in a static doesn't have a life. I have a full time job that often requires extra hours after close of business and I already work 40hrs a week. I have a 7 year old, and I am married. I have an active social life. I get to enjoy this game as much as anybody else. You need to adjust your expectations. I know that I will never be able to form a static at present. My solution is to wait for coil content lockout to be removed before I try it. Sure, ill get to start on FCOB 3 months after all the 'no lifers' get to, but who cares? Ill get it done eventually.

second... 16 people in Turn 5 is such a bad idea I can't believe people are actually entertaining it as a solution. If you even think it would be a good idea... idk... too much lol

It's not an issue of three months; we're talking about T5 being a barrier still for many. My underlying point is that, if you lack a static party, end-game content is rather unpleasant at the moment for most people. This is largely due to the fact that PF and DF are unreliable, require lots of time, frequently result in hostilities or drama between party members, and certainly make for a stressful experience rather than a fun one (for me, at least; and I suspect this holds true for most others using them). That's not to say doing end-game content without a static is impossible - it's not. It's to say that doing is a fairly miserable experience, with sources of difficulty and stress coming more from finding a working party than the content itself. That's a problem, in my eyes - a serious one.

Also, considering you are not a member of a static by your own admission, I think you reinforced my point that most people who can routinely do 8-man content in statics don't have lives. Just saying.

Finally, my comment about 16-player sizes would clearly necessitate a redesign of fight mechanics to account for the extra bodies. I didn't mention this explicitly because it would become completely obvious were this course ever pursued.

[Clavaat]

Also, considering you are not a member of a static by your own admission, I think you reinforced my point that most people who can routinely do 8-man content in statics don't have lives. Just saying.

Do you ever have a Poker Night? Board Game Night? Sports Practice Night? Why not a Raid Night? It's not unreasonable at all to think that people can play on somewhat of a schedule.

And anyway, this isn't bad design, no matter how much you try to say that it is. There is content out there that gets easier and easier, or is just meant for the general public. Should there be more options for endgame? Sure, why not. But it really isn't that hard anymore, with the amount of Echo and overgear making DPS checks and even most high damage abilities irrelevant, there is really not much to the fight anymore compared to others. Most of the mechanics require minimal movement if you set up properly. If you are having a miserable experience, play the social game. Make friends, keep people around in LS/FC who were nice/helpful.