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  1. #61
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    ^you're missing the fact Surecast doesn't have a 100% uptime man... no need to act so egotistical when such a giant detail is flying over your head unnoticed.

    ^^also it's been suggested here a number of times that an increase in CD would be acceptable.
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    No. because first we need to stop all these PVP hot-heads from making open world pvp threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldreactive View Post
    No. because first we need to stop all these PVP hot-heads from making open world pvp threads.
    K... it's fine you disagree with open-world PVP but don't enter other threads derailing/trolling them to voice that opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    K... it's fine you disagree with open-world PVP but don't enter other threads derailing/trolling them to voice that opinion.
    One of the biggest unbalanced things in PVP I've seen is moving and casting at the same time and people canceling casts if they move past your field of view (While enemies via PVE no longer do this.)
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    I think it'd be fine. Even on its current 30 second CD, it's not going to break anything. It'd just make playing mages a little more dynamic and make Surecast actually useful. Outside of PVP.
    Plus, in its current state, the ability is kind of poorly designed anyway. It just seems to exist--there's nothing really interesting or impactful about using it. This would alleviate that.
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    Last edited by Verlyn; 11-18-2014 at 12:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    ^you're missing the fact Surecast doesn't have a 100% uptime man... no need to act so egotistical when such a giant detail is flying over your head unnoticed.

    ^^also it's been suggested here a number of times that an increase in CD would be acceptable.
    Not sure why it needs to have 100% up time, it already auto refreshes a set % of the time and the times it is necessary does not warrant 100% up time ... I think everyone who wants surecast is missing the point that if you get this, then blm potency will take a global hit due to balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xisin View Post
    Not sure why it needs to have 100% uptime... I think everyone who wants surecast is missing the point that if you get this, then blm potency will take a global hit due to balance.
    In order for this to seriously impact BLM PvE dps, you'd need to really micromanage the skill. Especially since boss AoEs come far more often than once every 30 seconds (30 seconds is an eternity during a boss fight).
    If it ends up being a big problem, just raise the CD to once a minute or something.
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    People do micromanage to get the best numbers, that is the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xisin View Post
    People do micromanage to get the best numbers, that is the point.
    More to the point: I don't think casting while dodging a move once every 30 seconds is going to impact it in any appreciable way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verlyn View Post
    More to the point: I don't think casting while dodging a move once every 30 seconds is going to impact it in any appreciable way.
    You obviously don't play Black Mage. The "hard" part of Black Mage is managing the available skills we have to make sure any movement we have to make impacts our damage output as little as possible, knowing which abilities you can take a hit from with Ward/Wall, knowing when AOEs are coming so you can save any procs you get, knowing where your team mates are so you can Aetherial to them, the most common and well known of these in the actual game would probably be tanking Landslides from Titan, or the 4th and 5th Dives of Twintania. Most of the CDs that people see as defensive for Black Mage are actually used offensively for this very purpose. An ability on a 30s CD that allows us to cast while moving would make that ridiculously easier to manage and would be ridiculously strong.

    Like I said in the previous page, we have enough abilities already in the game to prevent movement causing issues with DPS. In Expansion I'd rather see the main rotation receive new abilities to make the base of the job much more fun and interesting to play, not yet more cooldowns to use for movement.
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    Last edited by SongJoohee; 11-18-2014 at 02:50 AM.

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