Goad

[LionKing]

Excuse me, did I just hear you attempt a SR with a party consists of a Warrior, a Ninja, and a MNK??? A SR with 2 DpS who are melee? So who are you? The Warrior or the MNK?

1/ If you are the Warrior, sorry MNK need TP more than you, Goad MNK, no Goad for you.
2/ If you are the MNK, sorry Tank, you are an idiot for attempting a SR with 2 Melee DPS.

And for the record, I don't recall you ever say " I could ask for Goat nor I should not ask for Goat ALL THE TIME". As I recall through out 13 pages of the debate, all I see you calling Ninja who does not put up Goat is "finding excuses to be lazy", or "you should not tell them how to do their role" or "unless they want to be vegetable". Your point ? And for the latest record, that "you see yourself a lazy and unobservant player"..Who you trying to lie to for being a reasonable player now?

And for the record, I rather to have a Tank that knows a party consist of 2 Melee DPS is NOT WORTH to do a SR. A War, a MNK/Dragoon/Ninja/Brd and a Healer who can manage their own resources WITHOUT relying on others. And the party members that know if you want something, ask for it.

[Gruntler]

For the record, I can ask for Goad. I'm saying I shouldn't need to all the time. I rather like having a Ninja who doesn't have to be asked.

Unless that Ninja is familiar with your TP spending habits, you cannot expect this. Asking isn't about reminding the ninja to do something they were forgetting about, it's communicating to them information that is hidden to them but that you're fully aware of.

We're not psychic, so please use your words.

[SpookyGhost]

For BLM, it's not possible to look at their mp bar and guess when they'd like Ballad. Oh look a BLM is OOM... meaning nothing.

Sorry, this is going to be a bit off topic, but why would a BLM need mana song? Is it ever worth it to play Ballad over Foes, if the song is specifically for the BLM? I can understand SMN since played optimally with no Energy Drain, MP management can be a huge issue - but I can't recall a BLM ever asking for Ballad in all the time I've played. Mabe I've played with bad BLMs? Someone enlighten me.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Excuse me, did I just hear you attempt a SR with a party consists of a Warrior, a Ninja, and a MNK??? A SR with 2 DpS who are melee? So who are you? The Warrior or the MNK?

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And for the record, I rather to have a Tank that knows a party consist of 2 Melee DPS is NOT WORTH to do a SR. A War, a MNK/Dragoon/Ninja/Brd and a Healer who can manage their own resources WITHOUT relying on others. And the party members that know if you want something, ask for it.

How incredibly closed-minded. Every SR must absolutely have a BLM, or even a WAR tank? I'll be sure to tell that to all of my buddies who don't play those jobs that our fast and fun multi-pulls with 2 melee were flukes.

The irony of this whole "debate" is that you are pretty much asking for "Goad" yourself. I'm happy to oblige because your increasingly belligerent and one-note responses are just amusing.

[ElHeggunte]

Fourteen pages because some people can't be assed to just ask the Rogue or Ninja for a Goad to restore the TP they can't see? It's easier for you to ask when you need it than it is for the Ninja to guesstimate and risk wasting it. You don't even have to type it out. Make a macro that says "Goad please" or even make one that just displays your TP percentage with a noise; an attentive player will notice and know what you want without specifically being told. But it's absolutely ridiculous to remain completely silent and expect someone to know you need Goad.

[LionKing]

How incredibly closed-minded. Every SR must absolutely have a BLM, or even a WAR tank? I'll be sure to tell that to all of my buddies who don't play those jobs that our fast and fun multi-pulls with 2 melee were flukes.

The irony of this whole "debate" is that you are pretty much asking for "Goad" yourself. I'm happy to oblige because your increasingly belligerent and one-note responses are just amusing.

So you say your party does not have a War? Then the Tank must be a Paladin, why bother asking for Goat? Please don't tell me you need TP for the Paladin?

I am sorry if you are doing that kind of run with your buddies. BUDDIES, YOU SAY???? I am sorry to say this but ANY OF THE PUGS you meet in DF, ARE NOT your buddies. Therefore, they are not obligated to give you anything nor they knows your habit nor they knows how you manage your TP. In short, they know NOTHING of you. Do not expect things from a stranger what you would expect from a buddy. That is just F-A-I-L

I am sorry to say this, you can do WHATEVER you like with your buddies. That is not my concern. However, go and ask any players how would they think to have a Tank do a SR with two Melee as DPS, then tell me the answer.

You say I am stupid for asking "Goad" for myself? Can you please tell me which part you of my post you saw that idea from? Caused I failed to see it myself, PLEASE point it out. I am clearly aware that Goad is not self-targetable. I don't know why you implied I don't know that?

But sure, I rather to be fail at a job in game than in real life. I am pretty sure you will have a very much happy life for failing such basic life concept: " You want something, you ask for it".

I am done with you.

[RiceisNice]

Playstyles can vary incredibly between players, that includes tanks in dungeons. The way I play WAR in heroic/expert dungeons, I could be conservative on my TP that I wouldn't run out until the 6th pull, or go nuts with a large pull and spam overpower + damage buffs and bloodbath.

As for TP consumption, ninja has such low TP costs on their rotation that they'd never run into any problems, even with an increased attack speed. Every other class would unfortunately run out of TP doing their optimal damage skills if the fight gets incredibly prolonged without any pauses (T8 for example). Because of that, Goad is not necessarily inferior to paeon, (esp for my party makeup of NIN/MNK/BRD/BLM) unless you have 2 non-ninja/caster dps (in which case, you;re running a triple melee for this scenaro...)

[Mimiru_S]

I don't know why you would be so adamant about being stingy about Goad unless you yourself are a lazy or unobservant player. Nobody is saying "be perfect", just that you shouldn't need to be told all the time how to do functions of your job.

I have no problem using Goad. But, as I've said, its much easier for a WAR to type "goad plz", rather than me watch my own abilities, my own CDs, the boss movements and possible AoEs -and- baysit your TP usage.

[Marionette]

If you're running low on TP, then you got bigger problems to address than worrying about than Goad.

[Almalexia]

If you're running low on TP, then you got bigger problems to address than worrying about than Goad.

TP is a resource that translates into damage; the more TP you have at your disposal, the more maneuvers you can use in succession to increase damage output. Skills like Goad, Invigorate and Paeon permit more liberal TP usage--whether that's marathon DPS or burst DPS depends on the situation.

What are these "bigger problems" you're implying?