Goad

[Delorean]

this guy knows whats up

[LionKing]

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this guy knows whats up

And I know I can do all that without the need of Goad.
First, no Defiance=> No stacks, Infuriate, Steel Cyclone
Second, his Mp bar is full => No flash has been used. It is right there, cost 28 MP to use.
Third, look at aggro meter, none of the other aggro meter has even a slight fill on it. Meaning he was way overhead of them in aggro wise =>There is no need to keep spamming OP.

Look at this pictures, all I see is the Tank is the DPS more than a tank and he's is trying to DpS more than actually caring for aggro and managing his TP. I don't know the purpose for you to post this picture but all it shows is a Tank doing the DPs job. Not that I am criticise him or anything, it is always a good skill to be able to DPS while still maintaining aggro. However in this case, the Ninja already know what the Tank want, he want to DPS, not to do the Tanking, and Ninja appreciate it. That is why he throw out Goad to help him. => Good

In our case, we have a Tank acting like a Tank and still demand for Goad while expecting Ninja throw out for him without him asking, then go AWOL => Bad/rude.

There are two different cases we have here.

Edit; My bad for not checking the level of the party, even though, a Goad or not, the Tank can still holding aggro just fine like the age before Goad even existed. Nothing changed besides Goad is added. Before, a Tank has no trouble holding aggro. After, they need Goad to do the SAME job. Why?

[SpookyGhost]

First, no Tanking buff is up, like Shield Oath, forget what is called => No stacks, Infuriate, Steel Cyclone

They're level 19.

[Delorean]

t

And I know I can do all that without the need of Goad.
First, no Defiance=> No stacks, Infuriate, Steel Cyclone
Second, his Mp bar is full => No flash has been used. It is right there, cost 28 MP to use.
Third, look at aggro meter, none of the other aggro meter has even a slight fill on it. Meaning he was way overhead of them in aggro wise =>There is no need to keep spamming OP.

1. It's Tam-Tara Deepcroft. I am synced to level 19.
2. Flash does not do damage.
3. Overpower does do damage. More damage = enemies die faster.
4. We never had to stop for me to get TP and I actually wish I'd queued in as MRD since people don't have Jobs at lv 19 and I could have had Invigorate, Raging Strikes and B4B and done even more damage. Unfortunately it was book dungeon =\

[LionKing]

QSomeone had pointed that out to me already and I apologised for let that slip my eyes. However :

Flash does not do damage but it generates aggro.

Yeah like I said, from what I saw in your pictures, you are doing your roles as a DPS, not a Tank which is good. No complain or harsh feeling from me. What I want to say is I could do all that, holding aggro, DPSing at the same time, with or without Goad. And as for stoping for TP goes, the break between the groups are far enough to generate enough TP back for you to hold a good aggro for the next waves. I don't stop for TP recover either. There was one time, I remembered the Healer demanded me to stop for her recover her MP when I tanked as a Warrior in Tamtara HM because I kept going forwards.

In a nutshell, my point is pretty simple, Goad is a good Utility, however, it is not so Godly or necessary or a MUST HAVE for Tank and that they have to be a (inserting words that you would use to describe a rude person), get their head over heel, or go so demanding on Ninja that they have to have it without asking, and that it is Ninja obligation to put up Goad for them without them asking for it.As long as people get that if you want something, A-S-K for it. It is no one obligation or responsibility to know what you want or to observe your performance to know who you are doing and do as you want without you ask first. "Want Goad,A-S-K", simple as that. My DPS sure is not has high as you in the picture, however, there is no need to be a toxic player just for the sake of some extra number.

-You are the Tank. Your top priority is to hold aggro, not DPS. No one has the right to judge you suck,noob,fail at your job when you pull out a low number nor you will be hold responsibility for a fail in the case of the party failed at a DPS check. If you can pull out a decent number while still holding aggro. Good for you, you are a good and skilful tank.
- I am the DPS. My top priority is to take things down swiftly and nicely, not to be anyone TP/MP back up bTtery charge. I will be the one to be blamed if Mobs are not killed fast enough, fail DPS check, and no one has the right to demand me or expect me to put up TP/MP buff without asking for it, nor to be the party MP/TP gauge measurement. If I can go an extra miles for you, good, I am a team player. If not, it is not the end of the world.
-He is the Healer. Your top priority is to Heal, not to DPS. The party failed at DPS check, not your fault. The party died because they so not bother doing mechanics properly, not your fault. It is pretty nice if you have throw out some DoTs/Holy here and there, once in a while whilst still doing your job, we love you.

Anything other than these things are BONUSES and you don' expect people give out Bonuses, even if it is free,to someone who never say he want it.

Do not go around and say things like " How many times do I have to tell Ninja to put up Goad when I am tanking as War", or " It is not the hard jobs to know when a party member run out of TP/MP" or "Use it, why do u save it. It is there,so freaking use it, who cares if it is go wasted" etc,...
Will it kill you to ASK? No.
Will it make you a nice person and make the run a happy run? Yes.
Will it make you a rude one and make the run a disaster run? Yes.
Will the party fail the Duns without it? No
And many more questions I can ask to prove that the Tank or anyone in the party ABSOLUTELY not need it.

Again, DPS is there to make sure things go down fast, not the party TP/MP resources and replenish management auto bot and TP/MP restore and back up.

A story from me if you want to hear it:

I ran Quarn HM with my friends as a WHM. We had a Brd in the party, so upon entering, I nicely asked "Hey Brd, I am going to DPS a bit here and there. Would you please be able to keep check on my MP?". The Brd replied "Sure, no problem". Then for the whole run, he sang MP song for me every time my MP was low WITHOUT ME ASKING ONE WORD. I went berserk with my Holy spamming and we all had great time. There was even a wipe during the run due to the fact, I Holied too hard and accidentally pull aggro off the tank and tank had hard time to take aggro back from me. Even then, all I said : "Sorry hahaha, I was overjoyed", and the party just laughed and at the end of the run, we all said "Thanks for the runs. Good jobs". I had my fun, the tank had his fun, the two DPS also had their fill. We competed the run in 20mins. The Brd was found via DF.

Long story short: It is not killing you nor have any negative effects on you or your life, just by one click or 4 key strokes. Though it does make whether the run is fun or sad, upon your behaviour and attitude. Which one will you choose? A fun one full of laugh or a sad one where people trash talk each other? Your choice.

[Delorean]

Yeah like I said, from what I saw in your pictures, you are doing your roles as a DPS, not a Tank which is good.

What is the point in focusing on survival when there is little to no risk of death? If my character was full HA geared, I'd probably do T4 farms in DPS gear.

But I wouldn't have dreamed of doing that while Turn 4 was current. It was difficult and one of the healers we had for our first attempts at it was not very good.

In a nutshell, my point is pretty simple, Goad is a good Utility, however, it is not so Godly or necessary or a MUST HAVE for Tank and that they have to be a (inserting words that you would use to describe a rude person), get their head over heel, or go so demanding on Ninja that they have to have it without asking, and that it is Ninja obligation to put up Goad for them without them asking for it.

no one is demanding anything

a lot of you are just mistaking asking players to take initiative as frothing at the mouth and screaming at you to read their minds and give them goad

But no, I don't feel like that is true. I think that whenever you hit Join, you are obligated to assist your party in the best way that you know how. Do you really think half the people in this thread asking players to take initiative are going to care if they are in a DF party and say "pls goad on huge pulls" only to be told "just tell me when you need it"?

id be slightly annoyed, but it's not really a big problem at all. In fact, it might help that player understand when better to use the ability without having to communicate.

My DPS sure is not has high as you in the picture, however, there is no need to be a toxic player just for the sake of some extra number.

I wonder if anyone in that group thought I was a toxic player. I wonder if all the players who have given me commendations think that I am actually a douche canoe, and not a cool player.

Your top priority is to hold aggro, not DPS. No one has the right to judge you suck,noob,fail at your job when you pull out a low number nor you will be hold responsibility for a fail in the case of the party failed at a DPS check.

and if holding aggro is not even close to a problem then you move down your list of priorities... What is your point?

Do not go around and say things like " How many times do I have to tell Ninja to put up Goad when I am tanking as War", or " It is not the hard jobs to know when a party member run out of TP/MP" or "Use it, why do u save it. It is there,so freaking use it, who cares if it is go wasted" etc,...

ty for assuming that i am a gigantic douchebag