Goad

[LionKing]

Isn't good to lie, Ninja's rotation is easier than Dragoon's. You can go on auto pilot for most of it. They even have the luxury of not needing to be positional outside Trick Attack.



Also why are you acting like we don't want the TP on the UI? Generalization much?

Hold it right there. I have to dismiss your opinion right now on that Dragoon rotation is harder than Ninja rotation. It is just flat out wrong. The Dragoon rotation is just LONG, it is not even COMPLEX. By your definition of having the luxury of not needing to be positional, then MNK will be the hardest rotation of all since most attacks require positioning to have bonus, throw in GS on top to have a good DPS. Though, I am pretty sure if at this very moment, I say MNK rotation is so hard, someone will strike at me right away for saying such petty lies or playing favour cards. I am not saying Ninja rotation is hard, all I simply say is by saying Dragoon rotation is harder than any other melee class out there, or Ninja to be specific is just W-R-O-N-G.


And here is the separate part for those fast readers who read with the eager to response instead of stop and think for a second:

"...I am not saying Ninja rotation is hard, all I simply say is by saying Dragoon rotation is harder than any other melee class out there, or Ninja to be specific is just W-R-O-N-G."

[SeraviEdalborez]

Hold it right there. I have to dismiss your opinion right now on that Dragoon rotation is harder than Ninja rotation. It is just flat out wrong. The Dragoon rotation is just LONG, it is not even COMPLEX.

And Ninja is complex? What makes it complex? Hitting slightly more buttons?

Dragoon rotation can be defined in 3 20-ish second chunks each basically going [HT (combo) Phleb (combo)]. Ninja rotation can be similarly chunked into one 30-second window (beginning with Mutilate) that loops identically every time except for where you use Ninjutsu (and the opener has slightly different skill order).

NIN isn't even that complex bro.

[LionKing]

And Ninja is complex? What makes it complex? Hitting slightly more buttons?

Dragoon rotation can be defined in 3 20-ish second chunks each basically going [HT (combo) Phleb (combo)]. Ninja rotation can be similarly chunked into one 30-second window (beginning with Mutilate) that loops identically every time except for where you use Ninjutsu (and the opener has slightly different skill order).

NIN isn't even that complex bro.

Please re-read my post. I have bold out the IMPORTANT part and go as far as breaking it to a separate part just for you guys, for those who read with the urge to response instead of stop and think for a second.

To this point,I fail to understand why it is so hard for some people to grab a hold of something as very basic of life about mannerism, custom, polite towards other people in community. "You say Hi when you greet someone and say Bye when you depart. You say Thank you when someone do you a favour or something good to you. You say Sorry when you are wronged. You ASK people for what you want, etc..." All these lessons, I am sure ALL OF US had learnt since we were infant. And for those who have had children of their own, I am sure these lessons you won't miss AT ALL to teach for your kids. Then why it is so difficult to have such a simple request granted???

It is not a matter how hard To use Goad, nor when to use Goad, neither how one can estimate TP's bar or how observant one need to be to be able to gauge. All of those things are a child's play to most of us here. However, what we and others have problem here is the attitude of some of you guys when you guys go AWOL on us for not giving you want you want. It is entirely two different matters when you ask politely for what you want and not being provided and when you don't ask, you were not provided what you wanted and went mad on us.

And in raid scenario, we have the same 8 players playing together weeks after weeks after weeks. Since these 8 players have been together for a while, they know each other habits, skills, and to be specific TP consumption on top of upon entering, they agreed on the same strategy, used communication. Most of all, they think for each other and trying to not OVEREXTEND their own resources. They know all of this. That is why in a raid, it is so much easier to observe as because they are already expect what will going to happen.

And in regular Duns, we have 4 different players every single run. They don't know each other, no strategy, no voice communication. They don't know if the rest of the party are old/new, are good players/bad players, nice/rude, etc.... They simple have nothing at all to tell upon entering. Anything can happens in a Dun runs and it is impossible to predict exactly what will happens next to prepare. And the thinking is also different. Whist in raid, the team members think for each other and do their best to not holding others down, in Duns, these 4 players only care about doing their jobs to the best, Tank hold aggro, Heal is healing, and DPS kill mobs as fast and hard as they can.

-DPS don't give a second thought about Tank Rotation, buff/debuff or Healer' map nor how they use their skills, as long as Aggro is being hold, they are not dead, the party not wipe.
-Tank don't have an eyes how DpS rotation goes, nor they bother to look for what CD DPS used, or the healer CD buff/debuff, as long as they are get healed and mobs go down fast.
-And the same for the Healer.

Here, on one hand we have people thinking for each other in raid. On the other hand, we have people thinking for themselves. I will leave the conclusion for you guys.

[Tilgung]

And Ninja is complex? What makes it complex? Hitting slightly more buttons?

Dragoon rotation can be defined in 3 20-ish second chunks each basically going [HT (combo) Phleb (combo)]. Ninja rotation can be similarly chunked into one 30-second window (beginning with Mutilate) that loops identically every time except for where you use Ninjutsu (and the opener has slightly different skill order).

NIN isn't even that complex bro.

WAR is only slightly more complex than 1-2-3 spam PLD. I think a Goad request macro will be very easy to work in.