Goad

[LionKing]

And how many people would actually look up on XivDb, sitting down calculating 1000/120, then add another X TP generated in 3 sec time frame = XYz times a War can use OP before their TP run dry....Can you please post out an equation please? Would be very very HELPFUL and much much APPRECIATED to have the equation in hand and I will call you my SAVIOR!!!

/facepalm.

[Fayto]

And how many people would actually look up on XivDb, sitting down calculating 1000/120, then add another X TP generated in 3 sec time frame = XYz times a War can use OP before their TP run dry....Can you please post out an equation please? Would be very very HELPFUL and much much APPRECIATED to have the equation in hand and I will call you my SAVIOR!!!

/facepalm.

Or the person could just understand the game and know that all AoEs cost roughly the same TP?

[SpookyGhost]

Or just put Goad on them before the AOE starts as it will have roughly the same effect as putting it on them half way through.

No monitoring needed.

:V

[SeraviEdalborez]

And how many people would actually look up on XivDb, sitting down calculating 1000/120, then add another X TP generated in 3 sec time frame = XYz times a War can use OP before their TP run dry....Can you please post out an equation please? Would be very very HELPFUL and much much APPRECIATED to have the equation in hand and I will call you my SAVIOR!!!

/facepalm.

Ok, I'll humor you.

All AoE from any TP-using job costs at least 120 TP. Natural combat TP regen is 60/tick; increased +30 by Paeon (+60 by BV Paeon), and +40 by traited Goad.

Main point being that AoE WS's are, by default, 2-3x more costly TP-wise than any single-target move. You don't have to play WAR to know. NIN should know themselves, because you can merely look at Death Blossom's TP cost relative to any of your other WS's and make that judgment.

But sure, keep deflecting on behalf of lazy people.

[LionKing]

So by being lazy yourself for not clicking a 1 sec macro to ask for Goad, you wasted 1 mins of others time to look up the TP cost, to know that all TP AoE cost the same by comparison, to observe your OP spamming skills, and how you play your Warrior,and have to focus more than 100% by monitoring your TP the same time as well as output the max DPS.? Like seriously????

And also for the one who said Goad at the start of the pulls to have the same effect without the need for monitoring, you know what people would do when they see that? Spam MORE OP and it would still be back to square one...

[ShaolinMike]

Raid awareness, eh? I could understand how asking a BRD to check the mage's MP and use Manasong accordingly is a raid awareness thing: there's a clearly marked guage of the entire party's MP. However, this is different. We have no way to REALLY know if goad is needed. If it's being suggested that my responsibility is to "feel" when the tank MIGHT need some TP...no thanks.

[Hyrist]

*shurg*

Pugs can deal. Our FC has mumble. A tank complaining about TP during trash pulls in a dungeon has no self-control.

Game functions fine without the existence of Goad. Players who feel like they're entitled to it are mistaken.

Meanwhile, having Goad macroed to automatically function on Target of Target makes it easier to use in situations where it's actually relevant and needed. Rogues and Ninjas are free to use it at their discretion. It's courteous to ask for a luxury.

[Fayto]

So by being lazy yourself for not clicking a 1 sec macro to ask for Goad, you wasted 1 mins of others time to look up the TP cost, to know that all TP AoE cost the same by comparison, to observe your OP spamming skills, and how you play your Warrior,and have to focus more than 100% by monitoring your TP the same time as well as output the max DPS.? Like seriously????

And also for the one who said Goad at the start of the pulls to have the same effect without the need for monitoring, you know what people would do when they see that? Spam MORE OP and it would still be back to square one...

??
Well learning how to play the game is good, yes. That is what we expect.

[SpookyGhost]

And also for the one who said Goad at the start of the pulls to have the same effect without the need for monitoring, you know what people would do when they see that? Spam MORE OP and it would still be back to square one...

Someone given Goad at half TP isn't going to stop spamming their AOE move if mobs are still alive. This applies to BRD and DRG as well. The point of a SR is to kill things as quickly as possible, which means nonstop GCDs unless the thing you're hitting is dead - thus, Goad at the start becomes practically the same as Goad at half TP. Another option that would work similarly is to give them Goad once everything in the current trash pack dies so they can gain more TP back on the way to the boss.

[LionKing]

@ Fayto: I am sorry for me learning how to play the game by sheer mistakes I made and by ACTUALLY playing the game and define my play style rather than look up on some boring emptiness wall of text. Sorry for not being a bookworm but more like a type of get up and get your hand dirty.

@SookyGhost, we are here more talking about a GENERAL pull Duns run, not a SR. Type. SR has their own methods and way to deal with, often than most is different with how a NORMAL run would be conducted.

The one that really tick me off the most is people who required others to WORK HARDER for their sakes call them being lazy while they don't realise they are the one who is lazy.

Maybe next time, when I die, I should blame the Paladin for not throwing out a heal when my HP get low or a Cover or a Stoneskin for that matter without asking. I am sorry but you, Pal has to have raid awareness to other party members' s HP as well as how well they are performing. You know RAID AWARENESS is important. Or you know Paladin, you have HEAL, STONESKIN, COVER in your disposal, so you should use them WITHOUT being asked, you know? Or you could look up to see how much dams we, Dps, will take when we get hit, so you can heal pre-attempts without us asking??? Oh and one other things, there is no excuse for you not to know our HP when it is right there, unlike your TP, somewhere hidden in the background and we CAN NOT see it.