Goad

[SeraviEdalborez]

Uh, you can definitely gauge their TP remaining. Did WAR use 5+ Overpowers? Then give them a Goad.

[ReplicaX]

Uh, you can definitely gauge their TP remaining. Did WAR use 5+ Overpowers? Then give them a Goad.

So we have to watch them on top of our Ninjutsu priorities and keeping all buffs and DoTs up.

No, they can simply ask for it. Ninja is not only a new job ppl are still figuring out, overall it is extremely busy.

Bard can watch other pt members and also manage songs, because the job isn't as busy and much more simplistic. Goad has a CD and is not based on MP.

Maybe when players get everything figured out, priorities down, and muscle memory perfect we can do this. The job is only a week old.

[SeraviEdalborez]

So we have to watch them on top of our Ninjutsu priorities and keeping all buffs and DoTs up.

No, they can simply ask for it. Ninja is not only a new job ppl are still figuring out, overall it is extremely busy.

Bard can watch other pt members and also manage songs, because the job isn't as busy and much more simplistic. Goad has a CD and is not based on MP.

Maybe when players get everything figured out, priorities down, and muscle memory perfect we can do this. The job is only a week old.

"Figuring out" the job doesn't take that long nor does it take that much effort. Figuring out when a WAR might need TP is not an observation unique to Ninja. It's not that much to ask that people have a base understanding of what other jobs do.

[ReplicaX]

"Figuring out" the job doesn't take that long nor does it take that much effort. Figuring out when a WAR might need TP is not an observation unique to Ninja. It's not that much to ask that people have a base understanding of what other jobs do.

From my own experience. It isn't an issue, especially something like Goad. I have yet to see the need so far in my runs as I have been doing ST to gear for higher dungeons and passing Goad over to MNKs/DRGs, if none then Tanks. In other dungeons and bigger pulls, yes priority to tanks.

However, you are not going to come across everyone like this. Which my point being yet again: ask for it if they aren't doing it. Not everyone reads the forums or has this understanding or observation/knowledge of other jobs. DF is a testament to getting the mixed bag of players and especially with 2.4 being Dungeon focused and hunts being less appealing.

[Almalexia]

So we have to watch

Don't watch. Listen. Overpower has a very distinctive "woogie-woogie-whammo" sound that is easy to distinguish from other SFX.

But any pull with 4+ targets would benefit from Goad. You could apply it right at the start. Trust your instincts and play proactively.

Here is a handy chart:
1. Are there 4 or more targets? If Y, go to 2. If N, hold Goad.
2. Is there a WAR? If Y, Goad the WAR. If N, go to 3.
3. Is there a MNK? If Y, Goad the MNK. If N, go to 4.
4. Is there a DRG? If Y, you can't Goad KO'd targets. If N, hold Goad.

[ReplicaX]

Listen.

Good info for a new player or someone that played a job which provided lil utility for WAR.

The reason why I generalized in the beginning is simple. Just because I know how WAR works, doesn't mean every Ninja does. The job is a week old. Telling them to get it into their mind set with big pulls isn't a negative thing.

In a Dungeon (tome grinds):

I expect a WAR to do Storm's Eye if they are in my PT against a single target. Why? You are a tank and not a DPS. It is more beneficial for you to keep SE going so I can maintain my 2 DoTs and push more filler DPS via my AE Combo.

Higher End Content as a WAR MT (Situational):

In a Burn Phase you can apply SE while a NIN can focus on DPS and DoT. However, if your WAR is getting wrecked then they can focus on Storm's Path and your NIN can take over Slash debuff.

I feel the increase in your Storm's Eye was put in for a reason besides giving NIN its own version.

[Delorean]

There's no way for us to see how much TP you have, so you need to let your party know when you need it. It's on a 3minute cooldown so I'd kinda want to save it until you actually needed it.

Well we could definitely ask for it, but pretty much any time you see Overpower being cast over and over and over and over again it's a safe bet that they are in need of replenishment

So we have to watch them on top of our Ninjutsu priorities and keeping all buffs and DoTs up.

I play Ninja and Warrior and it hasn't been a problem for me. Raid Awareness is a trait that many groups desire in players, is it not?

right because I'm counting how many attacks someone else is doing when I'm playing DPS and its definitely my job to monitor their TP...

[SARCASM]Because, yes, that person is quite literally asking you to count the number of times OP was used. [/SARCASM]

It's not hard to tell when a Warrior is going to be spamming overpower, guys... I'm not saying that someone shouldn't ask for utility when they need it, but honestly the amount of backlash over being asked if you can take some initiative is a little disappointing.

[ReplicaX]

Well we could definitely ask for it, but pretty much any time you see Overpower being cast over and over and over and over again

If a WAR is repeatedly using OP and not utilizing Flash and SC then no.

I play Ninja and Warrior and it hasn't been a problem for me. Raid Awareness is a trait that many groups desire in players, is it not?

I have mained BRD since 1.21. There is a huge difference between Job Mismanagement and Situational Circumstances. If any job is mismanaging their resources they are the one being detrimental to the party. For a BRD that would mean dropping a beneficial song like Foe and also reducing overall DPS of 2+ members.

If the situation arises where a larger pull the tank can handle or DPS cannot keep up carrying the fight. I would still expect them to call it out if for some odd reason I haven't given it to them already.

Better to ask when its needed then not at all and complain on a forum. Every player's skill and awareness is different and NIN is a week old. Which why I used "We" and not "I" in what you quoted.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Uh, you can definitely gauge their TP remaining. Did WAR use 5+ Overpowers? Then give them a Goad.

right because I'm counting how many attacks someone else is doing when I'm playing DPS and its definitely my job to monitor their TP...