Goad

[Kamil]

I never know what to think of these new jobs...

[SpookyGhost]

The only time a WAR will need Goad is if you're doing a speed run - in which case, you might as well just put it on him/her once everything has been pulled and the OP spam is about to begin as it will have roughly the same effect as using it half way through their OP spamming.

Also Unchained + Berserk OP spamming is the highest damage you can do to all mobs per GCD. Usually all the mobs are dead by the time I've been pacified and I'm usually not bottomed out on TP at that point, however, I do run the risk of that if I go straight to the next boss and pull immediately. I had this problem in Snowcloak SRs and while it wasn't a huge issue it would've been nice to have a Goad in that situation.

Other than this very specific scenario where you're speed running a dungeon, a Goad macro is handy as the NIN can't see your TP and he shouldn't have to guess when someone will need it.

[Superskull85]

I'll give someone Goad/Army's Paeon if TP users need them but to use them "whenever they are available" or "watch the Tank" or "watch the mob size" is not a good indicator. The first one is a complete waste because of cooldown and MP. The second is hard to tell when watching for your own survival and rotation. You could watch the mob size but for that I have a question.

How would you run a dungeon/fast run without a BRD or NIN? I ask this because I have seen Tanks pull multiple targets even with 2 MP users still keeping the pace of the dungeon.

I'll abide and use my tools to help out but I can't read minds and some TP users don't have problems whether Tank or DPS and generally won't need the extra TP. Lastly if using a controller it is likely Goad is on a secondary crossbar.

Adding the message as a macro helps a lot in rotational flow.

Just my thoughts but again all you need to do is ask. No one can read your TP or TP management ability.

[TemariVtwo]

Let's make a deal.... You Goad me, and I'll keep the slashing debuff up!

[Huntington]

Found it a little funny how an update in XI recently was added that let you see the TP of Avatars, Puppets, and Pets for BST, but XIV still doesn't have one in it by now. XI should have had that eons ago, but it should be something obvious for XIV. Just have that information pop up when you target a party member, doesn't need to be always shown in the party list, but it should be seen by now.

[Ruri]

Id rather give it to the brd or drg so they can keep up AOE spam imo.

[Fayto]

Id rather give it to the brd or drg so they can keep up AOE spam imo.

Why? Overpower is stronger than their AoE.

Not when one never play or lV up a Warrior knows how consuming OP will take

Umm.. Knowing or not knowing Warrior isn't an excuse as ALL AoEs take up roughly the same amount of TP. Regardless of Job.

[Mimiru_S]

Essentially, its easier for a WAR to ask for goad, than for me to babysit their TP usage.

[Lord_Zlatan]

^ Raid awareness is definitly a desireable trait... but are we talking raiding in a static or a DF group who doesn't know each other in a 4man dungeon that doesn't require raid awareness?

Someone else posted that in a stat or tight raid group they would berate the NIN for not goading at the appropriate time... while berate might be a strong word, they have a point there.

Asking for it while using the DF would be proper protocol IMO rather than raging at someone for not watching what you are doing.

[LionKing]

Tanking War by spamming OP till run out of TP, and in need of Goad constantly, in a normal Dun run is just bad...A good tank knows how to manage their TP (without asking for Goad, or TP song) betweens the pulls while still keeping aggro on all mobs. A warrior that only rely on OP to keep aggro, I dare say, he is B-A-D and in need of a lesson 1 on 1 tanking lesson...

DPS job is to make sure things killed fast, not to monitor the Tank TP or anyone TP, not in the past, nor in the present and will never in the future. If the tank or anyone want a Goad or TP song, A-S-K for it, or make a macro if you need to. It is not even moderately hard....

Also for those who is saying Warrior will run out of TP after 2-3 Overpower spamming and in need of a Goad, I am sorry but your are entirely wrong. I can spam at max 6-7 Overpower till I run out of TP. Besides, after that 6-7 OP spamming, I dare challenge any DPS or healer could take aggro away from me till they die. Also, as Warrior, OP is not the only tools you have for keeping AoE aggro. Flash is also in your disposal as well. So if you can not spam OP due to running out of TP, use Flash. What else you are gonna use your Mana for besides Flash? And you can take a break while using Flash to generate TP and by the time your MP is used up, your TP should be enough to spam another 2 OP. Flash + OP are just two, we also have Steel Cyclone and the buff that give War 5 stacks of Wrath instantly. Why not use them as well?

I rarely asking for TP buff, when I am tanking regular Duns as a Warrior, only when things go wrong like DPS or Healers , pull accidentally another group which I had not accounted for when I used my TP. Or when I died, get resed and try to take aggro on all the mobs back. For the rest of the time, I never ask for TP song.

DPS, be it BRd or Ninja, be it TP song or Goad, they have much better thing to do than is there to be your TP battery generator. Learn to manage your TP or directly ask for it. You said they are lazy for not taking initiative to Goad you but I say, you are L-A-Z-Y for not making a macro and click it to ask for TP when you need it.