Goad

[SeraviEdalborez]

^ Great logic. Let's take it further: Goad didn't exist before 2.4 so it's not needed to use it ever.

Ninja didn't exist before 2.4 so we don't need to use it ever.

[Leigaon]

It's nice to have, but it's not completely needed. I guess the Ninjas need to know when to use it and on who, but also it shouldn't be strictly for tanks if they're using TP they don't need to using "woogie-woogie-whammo".

I will use flash when going into dungeons and add a few over powers, after that though hate is maintained until the group has dwindled down enough to where using BB rotation and target switching is enough.

It's situational, I've had ninja's give me it during mid-fight after a pull that was big. I didn't have to say anything but you sort of get a feeling when to use it. Like Black Mages using their magic buff on a tank. I always thought it was there because the DPS aoe moves can be rather costly..so help them out a bit and give them some TP!

Maybe the question shouldn't be why aren't Ninja's giving the TP but why are the warriors using their "woogie-woogie-whammo" too much? I like that...I'm taking that into a macro. If you ever get a tank and overpower comes with a "woogie-woogie-whammo" text...this was a good day.

[Leonus]

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Bruh, don't turn nin into the next brd by not wanting to cast Goad on someone.... plz.

The only class you don't Goad is brd, and that's if there is another DPS (melee) in the party or a tank needs it. At that point, if the brd wants tp he should play paeon. Chances are the other dps could use some help with tp at that time too.

[Leonus]

snip.

Bruh, don't turn nin into the next brd by not wanting to cast Goad on someone.... plz.

The only class you don't Goad is brd, and that's if there is another DPS (melee) in the party or a tank needs it. At that point, if the brd wants tp he should play paeon. Chances are the other dps could use some help with tp at that time too.

[Almalexia]

It's not about enmity.

Overpower is 120 potency conal AoE with no combo requirement and the only other AoE WAR has besides Steel Cyclone. Since WAR has no means of replenishing TP, Goad fits nicely for them. Granted, it's only feasible to use OP for DPS when there are a minimum number of targets.

If you know your MNK or DRG isn't a clown, goad them all you want. But I assume we're talking about random-ass DF where the MNK has internalized "MNK can't AoE" and the DRG is going to spam 100 potency Ring of Thorns. A WAR really can't screw up Overpower.

[Saigwa]

Im maining a tank, and I honestly don't expect Goad unless I ask for it. Which takes a simple "Goad Please." in the chat. The end. All's well that ends well.

[Rawkzor]

@Leonus, This is not about BRD and Paeon, this is about WARs burning all their TP on Overpowers and then expecting NINs to read their minds and Goad them.
@SeraviEdalborez, Goad did not exist before 2.4, therefore WARs should now burn their TP while expecting immediate Goads without having to ask for it, then create forums complaining about NINs not watching their every move and mentally counting their TP to pre-emptively Goad them.

If you need Goad, ask for it. MNK and DRG need Goad too. Yes, I know they also have Invigorate. You also have other skills and resources. If you are going to lose hate because you ran out of TP, you are doing something wrong. Overpower does not need to be spammed until you are completely out of TP.

[Craiger]

Create a macro for it for gods sake... Or just type "Goad" in chat or something... I don't play as a WAR, and therefore it's not very easy to know when to use it.

I've even been yelled at, for using Goad when the WAR apparently didn't need it...

All the good tanks that I know, made a macro as soon as 2.4 was out. It should be common sense...

[Firepower]

Since most dungeons are speedrun I will goad the brd/drg/mnk or other nin if there is a PLD or the WAR if there is a WAR on the big pulls. If they need it for any other situation in a normal dungeon they need to learn to manage TP better.

As Mnk I always assume that I run out of TP first (even with invigorate) in prolonged boss encounters so would likely to Goad them if the fight goes on too long.

[Ojikuh]

everyone remembers the first time they forgot to remove sprint off their hot-bars, and then the caster run ahead of the group and pulling agro.