Goad

[SeraviEdalborez]

And again this circles around to: If your own TP consumption is suffering you should expect everyone else's is too. Unless you're ok with being a vegetable. Which it seems like some people are ok with.

[LionKing]

And again this circles around to: If your own TP consumption is suffering you should expect everyone else's is too. Unless you're ok with being a vegetable. Which it seems like some people are ok with.

So, I am saying if my own TP consumption is NOT suffering, then I would expect everyone else's is too? Unless I am ok with being a PRO, better than everyone else in managing my TP. Which it seems like some people have a hard time to cope with?

MNK can certainly make use of the TP from Goad in an extended fight. Prevents/delays having to drop Fracture/ToD from rotation for TP conservation reasons. This doesn't require excessive coordination.

I don't know why you would be so adamant about being stingy about Goad unless you yourself are a lazy or unobservant player. Nobody is saying "be perfect", just that you shouldn't need to be told all the time how to do functions of your job.

SR is NOT extended fight. Any fights except T8 are NOT dummy fight where you have enough time to generate your TP time between the break. And NO MNK use Fracture in a SR fight. And let me tell you, I NEVER need Goad to have my TOD up 100% uptime, EVER. Why you need GOAD to have it or drop it if you are a good MNK?

I don't know why people so lazy to make up a macro to ask for it and click when need Goad unless you are a lazy bunch or just a demand player, en entitle one, think everyone has the responsibility to read your mind or to know what you want without you tell them. Nobody demands perfect but you CAN HELP to make it Perfect by just setting up a SIMPLE macro. Is it so hard??? And do I need to remind you by saying a simple concept of life? " You are not entitle for anything. Nobody can read mind. You want something, you ask for it." Nobody need to tell us how to do our job but YOU NEED TO BE TOLD what are life lessons.

[LionKing]

MNK/Dragoon or Warrior for it matters, all can do with out without Goad. And I am serious for saying thing, unless it is a LONG LONG fight, like in T8, under normal circumstances, none of them should be in a DESPERATELY situation in need of a Goad, not in Normal Duns run, not in COB or any Primal fights, let alone a SR. If any of them found themselves in DESPERATELY need of a Goad, they are OVEREXTENDED themselves. MNK/Dragoon already have Invergorate to cover their TP and War is not needed to use up their TP, just to hold aggro. War has Flas, Steel Cyclone, Infuriate, Berserker+ Overpower, lots, lots of tools in the disposal.

If you gave followed the tread thus far, the counter argument people give out thus far is just because of Brd can do XYZ, they EXPECT AND DEMAND Ninja to do the same without considering Goad is SIGNIFICANTLY INFERIOR to TP song in any aspects.I agree that TP song reduce 20% of Brd attack, but the trade off is MASSIVE, AOE TP generate tools, as long as their is MP, there is TP song, On/Off at will, compares to 3 mins CD, Single target TP generate. On top of everything else, they DEMAND Ninja to observe their TP pool which is impossible to tell unless the Ninja gives their 100% attention to see the skills used,chow many times, calculate the TP cost, etc... while forgetting that BRD's rotation is FAR Far more simple than of the Ninja, so it is coherent to say Brd has FAR FAR more easier time to observe the party TP tool than Ninja.

[SeraviEdalborez]

MNK can certainly make use of the TP from Goad in an extended fight. Prevents/delays having to drop Fracture/ToD from rotation for TP conservation reasons. This doesn't require excessive coordination.

I don't know why you would be so adamant about being stingy about Goad unless you yourself are a lazy or unobservant player. Nobody is saying "be perfect", just that you shouldn't need to be told all the time how to do functions of your job.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Speedruns aren't extended fights but large enough pulls warrant Arm of the Destroyer over Bootshine or DK, which is an even excessively larger TP drain.

For the record, I can ask for Goad. I'm saying I shouldn't need to all the time. I rather like having a Ninja who doesn't have to be asked.

[Gruntler]

For the record, I can ask for Goad. I'm saying I shouldn't need to all the time. I rather like having a Ninja who doesn't have to be asked.

Unless that Ninja is familiar with your TP spending habits, you cannot expect this. Asking isn't about reminding the ninja to do something they were forgetting about, it's communicating to them information that is hidden to them but that you're fully aware of.

We're not psychic, so please use your words.

[Marionette]

If you're running low on TP, then you got bigger problems to address than worrying about than Goad.

[Almalexia]

If you're running low on TP, then you got bigger problems to address than worrying about than Goad.

TP is a resource that translates into damage; the more TP you have at your disposal, the more maneuvers you can use in succession to increase damage output. Skills like Goad, Invigorate and Paeon permit more liberal TP usage--whether that's marathon DPS or burst DPS depends on the situation.

What are these "bigger problems" you're implying?