Goad

[Senfei]

Why is the guy above me freaking out. This isn't hard. I have goad setup as a macro with <tt> assigned so it automatically hits the tank. I have a seperate button setup to use on the other dps if the situation calls for that instead. If I am AOEing, chances are everyone else is too. So I goad someone. Yes, there is a chance my goad may be wasted, who cares. You don't sit with Internal Release ready to go the entire dungeon because "There was never a situation where we would die if I didn't have extra crit".

Use your skills, and use them on your own without having to be asked.

[Snugglebutt]

Use your skills, and use them on your own without having to be asked.

If SE bothered to fix the UI it wouldn't be an issue, it's an amazingly simple thing for them to do and ninja is not the only class that would benefit from a party member TP bars on the UI since other classes like bards also should have it showing.

All this whining about how ninjas aren't keeping track of what skills everyone else is using and counting how much everyone else's uses their skills or researching the other classes skills or knowing how much TP the other players skills use is amusing to me since it's mountains out of molehills just like when people talk about Peons when on my bard.

My main is bard but also monk and ninja alts of which bard also has TP regen skill and I can count on one hand the amount of times I have ever needed to use it in the entire time I have played it. People tend to ask for it because 99% of the time it is never needed so becomes a waste of time and effort for me to track and count the skill usages of every other player in the group all the time while DPSing or doing other songs. The same applies to Goad and people should ask for that too until SE fixes the UI.

Fact is tanks already have a fairly easy job which gets priority healing plus they just keep aggro, position boss/adds and occasionally move out the way of an attack or switch between MT/OT, but it's seems they can't be bothered to take half a second to click a macro to let someone know they need a goad? Sorry but seems they are the lazy ones to me plus same goes for anyone else who can't be bothered to make a one click button macro to ask for something that is rarely ever needed.

Tank: Boo hooo. I am sorry, making a macro, and click it when I need it seems so much of a trouble or too much of a effort. Why don't you just read my thought and give me what I want instead, observe my actions, count my skill, knows about my TP as I am performing. Save me a lot of trouble there !!

This comment is exactly how this whining about ninjas Goad skill is coming across.

My job as a ninja is to output maximum DPS unless tank is doing a bad job or someone else screws up where I have to change my plans, it is not like playing bard in one sense of which bards have many skills which are party buff based and as such is DPS+support as a job. Ninjas job is keeping track on own CD's/DoTs/rotations and not messing up Mudras in an effort to maximize DPS while at same time putting more effort into dodging and tracking boss skills etc than tanks do because of how squishy we are and how we are treated as third class in healing priorities behind tanks and healers.

When SE fixes the UI, then I will be glad to throw out goads to people who need it since at that time I won't need them or want them to ask for it as then I will have been the tools in the UI to track and manage party TP myself whether on BRD or NIN. Currently SE have not supplied the in-game tool to make best use of that skill.

If was missing MP bars I bet many of you hypocrites hating on ninjas in here would be whining about SE not giving you that tool to do your jobs so put yourselves in the ninjas shoes and help fight for SE to fix the UI so we can get the benefit of a party TP bar much like you have an party MP one instead of just whining that ninjas apparently should cover yours asses because your too lazy to ask for something which is rarely ever needed in the first place.

[Seoulstar]

I'm failing to understand why can't people simply type four letters just to let the ninja know they need it. It's not like the bard songs, it has a three minute cooldown. I have no way at all to know if the tank needs TP or not and I'm not about to go like "He has done (enter skill here this many times) so I *think* it would be a good time to use it...)". Just simply ask for it, it's not going to kill you.

[Steady]

Well, as a War, lemme just say. I always can use Goad. If if it's up, I'll put it to use. Particularly in my raid groups where my healers are removing the pacification of Berserk (As that's usually when I catch up my tp). But ya know, I also got Flash (So I ain't too worried about running out). But I'm putting up your slashy debuff, least you can do is Goad me bro :P.

[Leonus]

Well, as a War, lemme just say. I always can use Goad. If if it's up, I'll put it to use. Particularly in my raid groups where my healers are removing the pacification of Berserk (As that's usually when I catch up my tp). But ya know, I also got Flash (So I ain't too worried about running out). But I'm putting up your slashy debuff, least you can do is Goad me bro :P.

Goad is an ability that needs to be judged by the ninja in the moment.

My priority goes:
1. Tanks (if they ask for it), especially wars.
2. Mnk/Drg/Nin depending on how long the fight will be going on for.
3. Brd if there isn't any melee dps in the party and a tank doesn't ask for it.

I'm on board with a lot of the tanks saying they shouldn't have to ask. Though at the same time, since I also tank, it's not difficult to realize that dps do have quite a bit to worry about (contrary to popular belief) and it would really help to maybe remind the ninja to use it.

As people get more used to the class you'll see it used more regularly.

Until then, help them out. Ninja is convoluted to a lot of people, as a lot think the rotation is hard.

[ReplicaX]

As people get more used to the class you'll see it used more regularly.

Until then, help them out. Ninja is convoluted to a lot of people, as a lot think the rotation is hard.

It's really not melee rotations that throw some ppl off or assume its hard. Mudra casting in instanced content is not consistent between casts and also waiting for the Ninjutsu icon to change properly. You fail, you lose Ninjutsu for 20secs. A core function of your job.

I watch it out of the corner of my eye. Some are tunnel visioning it. It's something completely new and different to the norm of other jobs.

Upto 3 .5 sec casts to then perform an action. With server side checks like everyone else and however your connection is.

[Tilgung]

As someone who's played a fair bit of WAR, I can say right now it's easier for me to hit a Goad request macro than keeping track of someone else's TP.

And that's all that matters in a group. Whichever makes things go smoother for the group as a whole is more important than 1 extra hot bar space for a single person to worry about.

[RinchanNau]

In our raids I generally get goad first. About 25 seconds into a fight. BRD runs out of TP very quickly. Significantly faster than MNK from our tests. Can go from full to zero in about 3:40 on a single target. Faster if there are adds to dot. The initial goad gives me an extra minute of full uptime at the beginning of the fight. Definitely a noticeable damage increase along with TA.

Our MNK receives a goad 3 1/2 min in. From there it'd generally continue back and forth between us unless someone else requests it. But our tanks are generally very good with their TP management and never need it.

Anyway. Just thought I'd mention that since I noticed someone saying BRD was last on their priorities. It is pretty easy to manage TP on BRD. Just hold back a few heavy shots when your buffs are all on cool down and TP is fairly low. Only after your first invigorate. Before then should be full up time. But if you're looking to maximize raid DPS you will goad your BRD.

[LionKing]

Isn't good to lie, Ninja's rotation is easier than Dragoon's. You can go on auto pilot for most of it. They even have the luxury of not needing to be positional outside Trick Attack.



Also why are you acting like we don't want the TP on the UI? Generalization much?

Hold it right there. I have to dismiss your opinion right now on that Dragoon rotation is harder than Ninja rotation. It is just flat out wrong. The Dragoon rotation is just LONG, it is not even COMPLEX. By your definition of having the luxury of not needing to be positional, then MNK will be the hardest rotation of all since most attacks require positioning to have bonus, throw in GS on top to have a good DPS. Though, I am pretty sure if at this very moment, I say MNK rotation is so hard, someone will strike at me right away for saying such petty lies or playing favour cards. I am not saying Ninja rotation is hard, all I simply say is by saying Dragoon rotation is harder than any other melee class out there, or Ninja to be specific is just W-R-O-N-G.


And here is the separate part for those fast readers who read with the eager to response instead of stop and think for a second:

"...I am not saying Ninja rotation is hard, all I simply say is by saying Dragoon rotation is harder than any other melee class out there, or Ninja to be specific is just W-R-O-N-G."

[SeraviEdalborez]

Hold it right there. I have to dismiss your opinion right now on that Dragoon rotation is harder than Ninja rotation. It is just flat out wrong. The Dragoon rotation is just LONG, it is not even COMPLEX.

And Ninja is complex? What makes it complex? Hitting slightly more buttons?

Dragoon rotation can be defined in 3 20-ish second chunks each basically going [HT (combo) Phleb (combo)]. Ninja rotation can be similarly chunked into one 30-second window (beginning with Mutilate) that loops identically every time except for where you use Ninjutsu (and the opener has slightly different skill order).

NIN isn't even that complex bro.