Thread: 2.4 PLD BiS found?

Originally Posted by SirTaint

By the time the rest of us are on t13 we will have over 8500 by default. And then dps will increase, the fight we be dissected and tanks will stack str again.

Just like the last month of t9 was tanked in full str. It's all one big cycle.

It wasn't tanked in full STR(the definition of full STR in this case being a right side completely made up of Slaying accessories; putting STR into bonus stats is optional). As I said earlier, only stupid Tanks think it's smart to completely replace VIT with STR in high end content. It was tanked in melded i90(and i70 before that), which is as much STR as you can stack while remaining at 7.4-7.5k, the accepted minimum HP required to survive T9 with a good party. It was tanked this way in the final months because those were the months when the option was available. T13 probably won't be truly STR tanked until melded i110 accessories are available, although I don't doubt people will go at it with crafted i90, just like people went at T9 with crafted i70.

Originally Posted by Donjo

It wasn't tanked in full STR(the definition of full STR in this case being a right side completely made up of Slaying accessories; putting STR into bonus stats is optional). As I said earlier, only stupid Tanks think it's smart to completely replace VIT with STR in high end content. It was tanked in melded i90(and i70 before that), which is as much STR as you can stack while remaining at 7.4-7.5k, the accepted minimum HP required to survive T9 with a good party. It was tanked this way in the final months because those were the months when the option was available. T13 probably won't be truly STR tanked until melded i110 accessories are available, although I don't doubt people will go at it with crafted i90, just like people went at T9 with crafted i70.

No we single tanked t9 in full str (gloam,slaying,30/30) for the last 5 kills before 2.4.

You do not take more damage by having less VIT. You barely take less damage by having less parry.

The act of parrying is not bad. The returns on the parry stat on gear is bad. Base rate is sufficient. More det = fight ends marginally faster = higher chance of dealing with less mechanics = less chance of death.

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So i just spent about 20 mins running some tests, and with 211 det and 416 str, did ~165 dps. went till was out of tp. with 283 det and 418 str, did ~173 dps. This was all in shield oath, since i wanted to see if it would be worth adjusting as MT, so far, doesn't seem like it.

Doesn't seem to be a huge impact with that.

8dps is 6500 damage in a 13min coil fight. With a bunch of wins happening seconds from enrage that could make or break the fight. (if all 6 damage classes do an extra 8 that its 39000)

But yeah its nothing crazy but it does add up.

The biggest argument in favor of Det is that it is always helping you. It is only a matter of time until you are over geared for content where you can start throwing out, VIT, parry etc because it doesn't matter for the clear. T10 is already tanked in full STR and easily tanked in i90 hybrids, the same will happen for T11-13 its just a matter of time.

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So i just spent about 20 mins running some tests, and with 211 det and 416 str, did ~165 dps. went till was out of tp. with 283 det and 418 str, did ~173 dps. This was all in shield oath, since i wanted to see if it would be worth adjusting as MT, so far, doesn't seem like it.

Doesn't seem to be a huge impact with that.

4 tests with each stat set, not a huge sample size i know, but i doubt the results would change that much

Strength on the other hand, I can see doing a lot more for you.

Shield Oath PLD is the worst case scenario when looking at DET's benefits. It's the lowest DPS form of tanking, or of anything in the game really. If a fight allows you to use Sword Oath for part of it, or you have Storm's Eye getting put up, or if you were a WAR, that DET will translate into real damage a bit higher.