Dungeon and loot

[Kiara1]

Ok i didn't know for the triple flare thing but if it's only useful for BLMs that's just sux anyway and you can craft those mp potions.

In a gneral way when you are going into a dungeon or find some "treasures" you don't expect to find some simple potions.... maybe i expect too much lol as an adventurer.

Actually triple flare is the most fun in the game for blm. So the hi elixirs are great imo. Also those pots can make a bug difference in pvp (but why do they share same cd as x-stat potion )

But yes rare dyes or maybe say 10k gil split up between the party would be better though

[ZanzhizExaverion]

While the loot is a problem in my opinion; I'd rather them change the dungeon layout.

If you haven't noticed; Since Brayflox, Every single dungeon has NOT had a path that you can stray off and get a chest for fighting an extra pack of monsters. Every new dungeon is linear, straight line, no extra chests.

That's what makes these dungeons boring. There's no choice, and the extra chests don't even have a chance to drop gear or crafting materials.

For real, who uses the damned Hi-Potions that the chests drop throughout the dungeons? Make THOSE drop the crafting items, and make the bosses drop loot.

It's pathetic and lazy if you ask me.

[silentwindfr]

While the loot is a problem in my opinion; I'd rather them change the dungeon layout.

If you haven't noticed; Since Brayflox, Every single dungeon has NOT had a path that you can stray off and get a chest for fighting an extra pack of monsters. Every new dungeon is linear, straight line, no extra chests.

That's what makes these dungeons boring. There's no choice, and the extra chests don't even have a chance to drop gear or crafting materials.

the trouble lie in the player, let me explain what i means, the player will often use the most efficient way to max him gain of exp, gils or token. then why add more road if player will anyway always use the same? that why the dungeon did become linear. don't get me wrong, i don't like this idea of road we must follow.

but the only way to change this is to make radical change in the way the modern mmoprg definite the dungeon... and i dunno if yoshida and it team want to risk this for now.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

the trouble lie in the player, let me explain what i means, the player will often use the most efficient way to max him gain of exp, gils or token. then why add more road if player will anyway always use the same?

I completely disagree with this. People will do anything and everything for glamour gear in this game, good or bad. Efficiency is a thing, but only to those who play to advance rather than indulge. The issue with new age gamers is that they don't indulge in content, they just play it to try and be the best, and that's what WoW did to the MMO industry. They took it from indulging to a grindfest with one clear road and nowhere else to turn.

Hopefully the dev team takes a stand with 3.0 and tears the game apart in terms of progression.

[Einheri]

I completely disagree with this. People will do anything and everything for glamour gear in this game, good or bad. Efficiency is a thing, but only to those who play to advance rather than indulge. The issue with new age gamers is that they don't indulge in content, they just play it to try and be the best, and that's what WoW did to the MMO industry. They took it from indulging to a grindfest with one clear road and nowhere else to turn.

Hopefully the dev team takes a stand with 3.0 and tears the game apart in terms of progression.

Yeah unfortunately mmos are all about instant gratification. I dont know if there are enough people that want "adventure" over path of least resistance any more. in the least it would have to be optional.

I put this together for another thread but it seems relevent here as the topic of concern is the lack of meaningful progression dungeons seem to provide:


Just wanted to add my thoughts on the matter. First off I don't see the current system changing before the xpac if at all.

Looking back at content progression in 2.0, I think with fewer levels to go through in the xpac a more defined content progression will ensue. As we look back to ARR launch there was a break down in the content progression because Coil was released before CT, and dungeons were almost never used for the gear they dropped but merely as the quickest way to a currency cap.

A few changes I would like in the for future with regards to content progression;
1. Dungeons with useful loot and a max Ilvl sync so they never become completely arbitrary. This would be the entry level for content progression.
2. 3.0 Version of the CT to be the entry point of raiders.
3. For CT add random bonus parameters to trigger extra loot chests a with separate weekly loot lock, i.e. Kill X boss with out killing their minions, don't allow players to be hit by y spell. This would add incentives to get FC/Alliance groups and more teamwork between the parties.
4. Add a CT Hard mode- This (possibly a 8 man version) would allow those who want a more adventure-ish type of raid, with trash (CC) and exploration, varying bosses and mechanics, and non combat encounters. This would have a weekly lock like coil on access instead of weekly allowance on loot like normal CT.
5. 3.0 Coil would continue to have highest Ilvl rewards and relevant content difficulty. Maintains the weekly locks. Increase number of turns to 7-9 bosses per Coil.
6. After completing coil an additional weekly quest would become available, completing the coil with this quest would grant a currency to spend on coil loot that RNG deems you unworthy of. I.E.- 4-6 weekly completions for Accessories, 6-8 for minor armor, 8-10 for major armor, 12-15 for weapon.
7.Savage coil being available in place of regular coil locks, once regular coil is completed. Same amount of rewards and ilvl but the gear should be visually distinct. Dye-able armor, more pointy bits, visual effects on chest and glowing weapons.
8.Sync Max Ilvl for Savage version with that turns max. So having those items/weapons are always an achievement but not gated by time.

Examples of Ilvl progression.
Dungeons= 200 (Max ilvl sync to 210)
Lesser tomes= 205
3.0 CT= 210 Armor
3.0 H-Primals= 210 Accessories and weapons (mixed table)
Crafted gear= 205-215 depending on melds
3.0 CT Hard= 215 Armor
3.0 X-Primals= 215 Accessories and quest for weapons.
Major Tomes= 215
3.0 Coil= 220 with 225 weapons (ilvl's 200 to enter, 210 to be expected)

ILvl Inflation 1;
HM Dungeon= 210 (max ilvl sync to 220)
Lesser Tome= 215
Secont CT= 220 armor
Crafted Gear= 215-225 depending on melds
Second H-CT= 225 armor
X-Primals= 225 accessories. Extra chest with weapon triggered by random extra fight parameter.
Major Tome= 230
Second coil= 240 with 245 Wep (ilvl 220 expected)

Ilvl Inflation 2;
Expert Dungeons=220 (Max ilvl sync to 230)
Lesser Tomes=230
Third CT= 235 Armor
Crafted-235-240 Depending on Melds
Third CT Hard-240 Armor
X-Primals= 240 accessories. Extra chest with weapon triggered by random extra fight parameter.
Major Tomes= 250
Third Coil= 260 with 265 Wep (ilvl 240 expected

[SummonerSenah]

Actually there's a little area in Hullbreaker that most people skip because there's no real reason to check it. I think it might have treasure chests but they only drop potion so no one cares. That goes back to the real issue, which is that there are too many drops that most players aren't interested in. Even if the dungeons weren't linear, most people wouldn't visit off path areas since the treasure isn't worth it.

[Felis]

A dungeon with a path design like the paths in the Gridania housing area would be cool ^^

And about people only use the direct way to boss, it can be make that they need keys to open doors and the keys are in random side chests

[Nyalia]

Wait, there's gear in those dungeons? I thought there was just crafting mats and these tokens you desynth into rarer crafting mats. Who knew?

[Lemuria]

Dungeon drops have always universally sucked. I honestly don't understand their mentality when it comes to adding items and removing old ones. They nuked Darklight and dumped it unceremoniously into dungeons as a random drop that no one wants any more, because those same dungeons gave level 90 gear via tomes. Now they've repeated their idiotic mistake and rendered lvl 90 gear nearly worthless, since the only jobs you'll be running the dungeons it drops on are jobs which already have it or better!

In addition, they've made soldiery tomes so pitifully slow to earn compared to old Mythology tomes that new starters are getting totally screwed over. Wanderer's Palace gives 10 tomes for goodness sake! Lately I've been staring at the Calendar double checking it isn't April Fools day, given how ridiculous this recent change was.

[Teryaani]

In addition, they've made soldiery tomes so pitifully slow to earn compared to old Mythology tomes that new starters are getting totally screwed over.

This threw me a bit when I saw it too. I get that they'll ramp it up in 2.5, but the grind to get soldiery is really awful.