Feint Skill

[Noata]

lancers play a role in a group just as archers do. This for the group mindset seems a little out of place. The truth is a lancers moves inhibit, so even if they are trying to go for DPS they still aid the group. Everyones moves support a group. There should be no worry about supporting the group. the argument is on Fient and how it serves a lancer. It is cheap does decent damage and has a low recast. It is a good move for lancers. There is no point in arguing this with the flat statement of your not sapose to miss. Well no one wants to miss, It happens and will happen. I can guarentee you wont always hit. Since the lancer is meant to bring DPS and Debuffs to the group, being able to get a guarenteed hit after missing does nothing but Aid the lancer. It would be foolish to overlook a move like this because you want another 1000+ TP using Combat skill. Earlier there was a post about not caring about misisng an auto attack. How concieted can someone be to not realize that the entire reason they can use there TP skills is because that auto attack hit. Before you complain about how something is right or wrong. Have reasons why something is Inferior before you go disguarding it.

I know that this is not be the kindest of words and I am not specifically targeting anyone. I just am remarking on what I have observed over this thread.

[Krausus]

Have reasons why something is Inferior before you go disguarding it.

1. requires you to miss to activate.
2. acc is up missing happens way less now.
3. your argument about auto attack hitting is moot because feint has nothing to do with it, it misses you gain no TP and then you spend 500 to use feint.
4. your argument about inhibiting is moot since feint does nothing of the kind in fact using feint will decrease your inhibiting frequency.
5. there just isn't enough slot points to justify feint over something more reliable and useful.
6. with using pierce, full thrust, heavy thrust, invig II, CiAII, speed/life surge, twisting vice, heavy trammel, leg sweep, attack buffs, regiment buffs, healing, and enmity decreasing buffs on a regular basis finding time fro feint is not a priority, especially when you need that TP for better skills.

thats at least 6 reasons, I'm sure I could come up with more, I'm not saying no one should use Feint, just saying I will not be.

PS: your lancer is 26 at that rank I would use feint at 50 I would rather use other skills.

[Alcide]

1. requires you to miss to activate.
2. acc is up missing happens way less now.
3. your argument about auto attack hitting is moot because feint has nothing to do with it, it misses you gain no TP and then you spend 500 to use feint.
4. your argument about inhibiting is moot since feint does nothing of the kind in fact using feint will decrease your inhibiting frequency.
5. there just isn't enough slot points to justify feint over something more reliable and useful.
6. with using pierce, full thrust, heavy thrust, invig II, CiAII, speed/life surge, twisting vice, heavy trammel, leg sweep, attack buffs, regiment buffs, healing, and enmity decreasing buffs on a regular basis finding time fro feint is not a priority, especially when you need that TP for better skills.

thats at least 6 reasons, I'm sure I could come up with more, I'm not saying no one should use Feint, just saying I will not be.

PS: your lancer is 26 at that rank I would use feint at 50 I would rather use other skills.

Totally agree. It's not that Feint is completely useless, it's just that it's got low priority and during NM fights I'm way too busy doing more important things, so putting it in the action bar and paying atention to the misses in order to use it (spending 500TP) sounds like a waste of time to me.

Obviousely if you're doing grind or anything else it's a good skill.


Also...

lancers play a role in a group just as archers do. This for the group mindset seems a little out of place. The truth is a lancers moves inhibit, so even if they are trying to go for DPS they still aid the group. Everyones moves support a group.

Absolutely false. Take a look at lancer's skills and compare them to the ones of the other DDs, you just can't say we've got the same role of an archer. Also, not every Lancer skill inhibit, you have to chose well how to spend your TP, depending on your playstyle, wich can be pure dps or dps/support (wich I prefer)

There is no point in arguing this with the flat statement of your not sapose to miss. Earlier there was a post about not caring about misisng an auto attack. How concieted can someone be to not realize that the entire reason they can use there TP skills is because that auto attack hit.

You've got 3 different buffs for accuracy, you just can't miss a WS. If you miss an auto attack then you're not getting TP and it's stupid to use an ability that uses TP IMHO (always during NM fights)

The personal damage versus group damage is amusing.
People that support ''group damage'' always seem to forget that personal damage is a part of that same group damage. xd

You really want to compare the amount of DPS the whole party will bring after CiA to Feint dmg? the TP cost is the same...
Also, keeping CiA and Moonrise II always up, spamming Twisting Vice II and joining BRs with Doomspike II I find it hard to belive you have the time to do anything else.

[Aeyis]

CiA increases TP generation it is relevant. If you don't provide adequate group support then you are a burden to your group and should be replaced by an archer.

You really want to compare the amount of DPS the whole party will bring after CiA to Feint dmg? the TP cost is the same...
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I know it happens a lot on these forums, but try to read what i actually typed.

Why are you mentioning CiA in the same breath as direct damage skills at all?
As i said before, its a debuff that has a low TP cost, and it lasts for a good amount of time.

It's TP cost over time doesnt begin to compare to that of any direct damage skill.

Or if that isnt spelled out enough:

CiA should be used period, and as such it serves no purpose at all to mention it when discussing TP uses of damage skills.

Back on topic:

Considering that Feint is a purely situational skill (you need to miss/get evaded for it to even be available for use),
saying that its useless outside of those conditions is kind of besides the point..

[Krausus]

I know it happens a lot on these forums, but try to read what i actually typed.

its not like its a skill that actually matters in terms of TP generation/drain.

I did, and that is what my response was about and you are wrong.

[Aeyis]

I did, and that is what my response was about and you are wrong.

You then proceeded to not read anything at all where i explained that it doesnt matter because you already use it 100% of the time always, and because 500 tp over 30 seconds is 100% irrelevant for use in tp calculations...
But way to go and prove that you dont read posts.

But then maybe to you using 500 TP every 30 seconds is something costly for your TP usage i dunno..

[Krausus]

You then proceeded to not read anything at all where i explained that it doesnt matter because you already use it 100% of the time always, and because 500 tp over 30 seconds is 100% irrelevant for use in tp calculations...
But way to go and prove that you dont read posts.

But then maybe to you using 500 TP every 30 seconds is something costly for your TP usage i dunno..

I prefer to use my 500 TP on any of the other skills I use such as heavy trammel or save for twisting vice, leg sweep, chaos thrust, or doomspike.

Its fine that you use feint but you are not going to change my mind on its usage. I was simply arguing the fact that what you said was taking the person you quoted out of context he never mentioned saving the 500 TP cost of feint for comrade in arms he made a simple statement about lancers roles in parties, and your reply was

"Also, why does a high rank lancer mention comrade in arms when it comes to weapon skills and tp usage?
Its tp usage is low and it has a rather decent duration..
its not like its a skill that actually matters in terms of TP generation/drain."

so if your intention was to compare the cost of feint and CiA then you did a poor job of conveying that.