Are DPS checks all what they got to make Final Coil difficult?

[Zarzak]

poor design on raids and no ideas is all i can say

thats why its beaten in 5 days unlike 2nd coil that took around 2 weeks

Undertuned overly simple content is a bitch.

2 weeks was WAY too fast. 5 days is just a joke.

all 2.0 has shown us is they have no ability to tune content and will instead just feed the casuals whatever they want. Hanging around until the expansion hoping they get their stuff together but with each patch that is looking more and more like wishful thinking

[TheRogueX]

all 2.0 has shown us is they have no ability to tune content and will instead just feed the casuals whatever they want.

Gee, you're right. SE needs to stop catering to the vast majority of their player base.

[saber_alter]

Undertuned overly simple content is a bitch.

2 weeks was WAY too fast. 5 days is just a joke.

all 2.0 has shown us is they have no ability to tune content and will instead just feed the casuals whatever they want. Hanging around until the expansion hoping they get their stuff together but with each patch that is looking more and more like wishful thinking

1% of the 1%. in full crafted i110 and the first ones to clear savage (mind you savage wasn't tuned, and had ridiculous mechanics. from what i have seen third-party.)

no.

[Fornix]

T6 was nothing more than a DPS check as well though. Getting bees down fast enough before instant kills, DPS check A. Getting adds down fast enough before the party goes boom, DPS check B. Next to that, there's some positional play. In that sense T6 and T10 are very similar in as to what they offer.

The most important difference though is that after a year of FFXIV, many players have grown accustomed to these sort of mechanics. Making it very easy to adjust to them. But none of that is new to any sort of MMO though. For experienced guilds raid encounters quickly turn into little more than DPS checks anyway. And the time to clear a raid tends to solely depend on the number of bosses within a raid encounter, and the necessity for loot upgrades from the raid itself in order to be able to meet the DPS checks. Mechanics wise nothing is ever truly hard. It's merely a script which you're going through, and as long as all raid members are able to follow the script things quickly become relatively easy.

[SarcasmMisser]

I get the feeling that most of you people aren't even doing final coil to make such terrible and blatantly false judgments about it's design.

On a different note I'll like to say congrats to the OP! Just last week you apparently hadn't downed t9 according to your post on the Cactaur forums so to clear t9, t10 and t11 in one week is very impressive!

[ToffeeCoffee]

I get the feeling that most of you people aren't even doing final coil to make such terrible and blatantly false judgments about it's design.

On a different note I'll like to say congrats to the OP! Just last week you apparently hadn't downed t9 according to your post on the Cactaur forums so to clear t9, t10 and t11 in one week is very impressive!

[SulwynCaliope]

I haven't gone into FCoB yet myself but in talking to people that are near clearing it, I get this feeling that FCoB was designed in a way to be clearable by people who are able to get statics but aren't super crazy hardcore into raiding either. For people that really want the hardest challenge possible, there's savage coil. Apparently, savage coil is far more unforgiving mechanics wise and requires people to always be at the top of their game. That kind of difficulty only caters to a MINUSCULE amount of players. Gating the best gear behind that level of difficulty would make it impossible for 99% of the population to even get past the first turn. Rather, SE has chosen a middle ground where the content is designed to be difficult for us average joes but easily doable by those in the top end statics. For the top end statics, SE gives them savage coil to play in.

[Fated]

FCoB is the same as the rest of coil. Savage just made the "first" type groups a lot better and so they cleared it way faster.

[Aeliott]

FCoB is the same as the rest of coil. Savage just made the "first" type groups a lot better and so they cleared it way faster.

I think this has a lot of influence on it too. Savage was already harder than second coil, and probably harder than some - maybe ALL - of final.

[RiceisNice]

Haven't touched FCoB yet, though I do welcome encounters that encourages more on output from the players (healing and damage) rather than over emphasis on mechanics...especially ones that require delicate timing on dps for phasing (cough T7 cough). It's just terrible game design for a encounter to be harder (or adding more checks, like watching so you don't overdps) as you progress in gear.

IMHO, second coil doesn't have a middle ground (or specifically T9 and leaning onto T7, maybe); it already targets high end players especially with the saturation of precise-mechanics that has a player combusting their entire party otherwise.