Lock out is to heavy handed

[Teryaani]

When I queue for something, the queue is ready and one person isn't pressing commence I don't get angry, I don't assume that person isn't pressing commence specifically to annoy me or the other party members and, over anything else, I don't expect that person to get punished for not pressing commence.

I don't take the withdraw personally or assume that someone is doing this intentionally, but it is annoying to sit in queue have it pop and then sit again. I don't get as heated as some folks that main dps (I main BLM) though because I'm almost always queuing with a healer. For those having to sit for 40+ minutes, pop and withdraw can be maddening.

Whenever I thought about ways to stop people from doing what I linked in those two images I always thought about a really short penalty (like 5-6 minutes) just enough so if someone tries to fish for in progress runs it would take them longer to find a run in progress than to do a full run, but not too much so people who weren't trying to fish for in progress don't get locked out for too long.

We disagree on the penalty. I think the 5 minute penalty isn't going to adjust behavior. 15-30 though will. It seemed like a really good spot to put it as it put it on equal footing with an abandoned instance.

They need to fix the "party penalty" though. While I can imagine a dedicated group of trolls abusing it, coding toward the worst possible behavior seems extreme.

Ugh I ended up writing a wall of text, sorry lol

After hitting my post limit so many times, wall of text is all I do

[Giantbane]

While I can imagine a dedicated group of trolls abusing it, coding toward the worst possible behavior seems extreme.

Thing is, they couldn't troll much if any more as a group than they could as X individual players coordinating outside of a group. So it's even useless in terms of that.

[Teryaani]

Thing is, they couldn't troll much if any more as a group than they could as X individual players coordinating outside of a group. So it's even useless in terms of that.

That's true. The only difference is that they would burn through the free withdraws faster, but the net effect would be the same.