Lock out is to heavy handed

[Domira]

That's not true. I wanted it changed as well, but I wanted it changed in an intelligent fashion. Just adding a blanket penalty to everyone doesn't address the issue in a meaningful way. The queue's design is flawed overall. That's what needs to change - not an arbitrary punishment. This is just a bandaid that hurts folks legitimately missing queues as much as the people who were fishing. It's just not a smart way to go about it.

So how does it happen three times in a row?

[Souljacker]

So how does it happen three times in a row?

Some folks in the longer thread already outlines several legitimate ways that you could end up with three in a row, so I won't go into it here. I'll just say that I'm never in favor of punishing players to solve a problem. The correct way is ALWAYS to look at the design, and then adjust the design so that the behavior is not possible\desirable. Adding a penalty in this way was the lazy way out, and all it will do is give SE the reputation of designing games that are unnecessarily harsh to players. YoshiP has come so far in turning XIV's reputation around - he doesn't need to take steps backwards.

[Teryaani]

YoshiP has come so far in turning XIV's reputation around - he doesn't need to take steps backwards.

This isn't backward. This is the development team answering a complaint from the players. As you can see by the posters around you, not everyone thinks it's too harsh. It seemed pretty even handed to me.

[Souljacker]

This isn't backward. This is the development team answering a complaint from the players. As you can see by the posters around you, not everyone thinks it's too harsh. It seemed pretty even handed to me.

That's because there is a rather toxic community in XIV that ALWAYS asks to see players punished\excluded from content\just plain uninstall because they didn't do xyz the same way and don't deserve to play. Just because a bunch of people like to see other players suffer doesn't mean it's the correct solution. It's actually rather disappointing that so many would rather punish one another than work together for a fair and intelligent solution. It's even more disappointing that the devs are embracing it.

[Teryaani]

That's because there is a rather toxic community in XIV that ALWAYS asks to see players punished. Just because a bunch of people like to see other players suffer doesn't mean it's the correct solution. It's actually rather disappointing that so many would rather punish one another than work together for a fair and intelligent solution.

This isn't about toxicity of the community or punishing others. This is about encouraging a particular type of behavior within the player base. I do like how when someone disagrees with you, they are somehow punitive or vengeful. Nice touch by the way. For someone who is concerned with a toxic community, your behavior isn't improving it.

The design team has two fundamental choices. They can offer a carrot, which they do in some situations (tomestone bonus for new players), or they can use a stick (30 minute lockout for abandoning a duty in progress). For situations like this, a mild, and it is mild, stick makes sense. Offering a reward/carrot for successfully queueing for an instance would be absurd. The whole point of queueing for the instance is to join, complete, and get the rewards within it. That's why they went with a stick.