Lock out is to heavy handed

[Souljacker]

When you have maybe an hour and a half to play, yea. Some of us had to grow up you know. It's not like it was when we were young and played XI 8+ hours a day.

No one should be punished just because a couple people exploited the system. Take away the ability to exploit from those people (by fixing the queue in the ways I outlined) - don't take it out on everyone else.

[Dwill]

When you have maybe an hour and a half to play, yea. Some of us had to grow up you know. It's not like it was when we were young and played XI 8+ hours a day.

No one should be punished just because a couple people exploited the system. Take away the ability to exploit from those people (by fixing the queue in the ways I outlined) - don't take it out on everyone else.

Yes, everybody that's a responsible adult only has a hour and a half to play, else you're just a young person playing 8+ day Do you guys actually have some sort of arguments or only Ad Hominems and hyperboles ?

And by the way, just how are you getting 3 strikes a day if you only have 90 minutes to play, unless you're excessively disorganized ?

[MomomiMomi]

If you only have 90 minutes to play, then you shouldn't be getting three strikes. That's just ridiculous.

[Darkstride]

Personally I don't care whether the 30 minute penalty is imposed, but I do think the amount of excuses people have are ridiculous.

What if I have to go to the bathroom? What if there is an emergency? What if there is a car accident outside? What if I need a drink? What if I get a phone call? What if my roommate wants to talk to me? What if someone knocks on my door?

Some of these you can plan for accordingly, some you can't, but those you can't plan for shouldn't be regular occurences. If you're getting pulled away that often, why queue at all? You'll be afk'ing in the dungeon repeatedly anyway.

You get 3 withdrawals before being penalized. Are all of these things happening repeatedly every single day to the point that you are always getting locked out of Duty Finder?? I doubt it.

Yes, there are probably some cases where someone received the 30 min penalty due to unfotunate circumstances outside of their control. However, I think in most cases people just need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop playing victim.

[Giantbane]

If you only have 90 minutes to play, then you shouldn't be getting three strikes. That's just ridiculous.

Even when you're not likely to hit the limit, the threat of it sort of hangs over your head. It bothers some people more than others. Just the way some people work. Another reason I don't like this.

Personally I don't care whether the 30 minute penalty is imposed, but I do think the amount of excuses people have are ridiculous.

What if I have to go to the bathroom? What if there is an emergency? What if there is a car accident outside? What if I need a drink? What if I get a phone call? What if my roommate wants to talk to me? What if someone knocks on my door?

Some of these you can plan for accordingly, some you can't, but those you can't plan for shouldn't be regular occurences. If you're getting pulled away that often, why queue at all? You'll be afk'ing in the dungeon repeatedly anyway.

You get 3 withdrawals before being penalized. Are all of these things happening repeatedly every single day to the point that you are always getting locked out of Duty Finder?? I doubt it.

Yes, there are probably some cases where someone received the 30 min penalty due to unfotunate circumstances outside of their control. However, I think in most cases people just need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop playing victim.

For me it's the 1 time that I might get hit with it that it's going to bother me. Honestly, I'd rather sit through 100 extra withdraws that happen in sets of 1 or 2, than deal with the one time I inadvertently get hit by the penalty when I'm wanting to play. I believe there are better ways to deal with this than what we have that would both be a better solution to the problem and limit the incidental punishments for what I view to be minor infractions.

Oh, and the group punishment thing. There's just no good reason for that.

[Nutz]

I think the new penalty has done a lot of good for queue times, however they could have done it a little bit better. The entire purpose, from what I understand, is to combat in progress fishing. Groups can't join in progress so there's no reason the penalty should apply to them (or at least not the stated reason for this feature). In fact, if it's to prevent in progress fishing they should have just tied it to the 'join in progress' button. If that button is lit then you can receive strikes and be subject to penalties. If it isn't lit then you can't accumulate strikes (but are still subject to any current penalties).

There you have it. The penalty is still exactly as effective as it is now while preventing most, if not all, collateral damage.

[Giantbane]

I think the new penalty has done a lot of good for queue times, however they could have done it a little bit better. The entire purpose, from what I understand, is to combat in progress fishing. Groups can't join in progress so there's no reason the penalty should apply to them (or at least not the stated reason for this feature). In fact, if it's to prevent in progress fishing they should have just tied it to the 'join in progress' button. If that button is lit then you can receive strikes and be subject to penalties. If it isn't lit then you can't accumulate strikes (but are still subject to any current penalties).

There you have it. The penalty is still exactly as effective as it is now while preventing most, if not all, collateral damage.

CT/ST/Frontlines were also a big problem. In progress for CT/ST was actually already diminished from CT's original release because the progress is obscured (only shows 0/1), however because you need 24 people to click "ready" all at once, the chances are reasonably high someone won't be ready. The REAL problem with this is that you can get 23 people to say "ready", one person times out and the match maker just throws everybody back into the head of the queue, with what looks like no effort to keep them together. Ideally, the match maker should just keep those 23 people together and look for one replacement, if a replacement can be found immediately, then don't even require those original 23 to say yes again. Just wait for the 1 person to accept. This will drastically reduce the instances where the you get a queue failure and removes the annoying need to keep clicking "ready" every time another person drops out.

At this point, since you're not relying on the penalty entirely to limit the re-queues, you can limit the current penalty to something more modest to just deal with queue spammers. IE: shorter reset window for the strikes (3 hours maybe) and a more modest penalty (15min ish).

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

I like the lockout, its really stunted the in progress fishers (which plagued Syrcus for a long time)

Its 3 strikes, so its not like the tiniest slip up will lock you out for the entire day, if you have business to do while queuing, such as bathroom or drink, you can take the risk or withdraw and try again. I do think that if a member of a party withdraws, the rest of the party shouldn't be punished (only the one who withdrew/timed out) I think that could be done a bit better.

I can see why people are frustrated with the system, but I think its for the best (needs a bit of tweaking, like the party thing)

[Ashkendor]

I do think that if a member of a party withdraws, the rest of the party shouldn't be punished (only the one who withdrew/timed out) I think that could be done a bit better.

Then people could simply party up and pass party lead around to troll the DF.

Penalty is dumb...and doesnt solved a dam anything other then aggravate people.

Penalty was much-needed. It's solved plenty. In-progress fishing has decreased drastically. Put the blame where it belongs, with the people that were fishing for in-progress repeatedly or just plain trolling the queue for a cheap laugh.

[Guevara]

One thing that could sort some issues is to auto change job when accepting.

So if you are levelling another class and have aggro, you could simply accept and the system would pick the first gear set available with the queueing job and equip it on you.

As for crafts and cutscenes that sucks a bit, since you cannot let ppl all the time they want to finish what they are doing.... imagina the trolls locking ppl in instances. It could just be usefull to give longer countdown time for ppl in cutscenes and crafting or let you resume them once duty is finished.

But that would be too expensive from a data pov I think.