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    EricCartmenez's Avatar
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    Veronica Venom
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Think of it like Mog EX when the WHM or BLM moogle begins casting Flare/Holy and DPS has to do enough damage to stop it.
    Exactly. I've done the fight several times as healer and DPS and it's definitely a check for the DPS. They need to do enough damage to Captain Madison to stop him from shooting. The key to the DPS is that when he charges someone, it's time to lay into him as hard as possible. Also, the slaves need to go down fast as they will bind.

    I've found most people having trouble with the first boss. No one takes the stun off the tank and there's no one to stun the Tail Screw move. Healers don't esuna the stacks so people wipe when tail screw is effective. The final boss seems to be the easiest here.
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    Yoso Carrasco
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmenez View Post
    I've found most people having trouble with the first boss. No one takes the stun off the tank and there's no one to stun the Tail Screw move. Healers don't esuna the stacks so people wipe when tail screw is effective. The final boss seems to be the easiest here.
    It baffles me hearing healers not taking off that status effect. You have more than enough time to get it off everyone, it's an effect that pops up after an enemy attack lands, and it's colored red. Then again nearly every one of my failed DF Moogle EX parties was because of healers never using Esuna/Leeches on anything.

    I've been running these experts as WHM constantly to work on my Nexus lights and I feel I might snap at someone if I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estellios View Post
    It baffles me hearing healers not taking off that status effect.
    The only time in which someone died on me due to this status effect was when it was placed as follows:
    - Me single stack
    - Dps 1 double stack
    - Dps 2 double stack

    I had to sacrifice one dps since i couldn't clear 5 stacks before the next hit. And tank didn't stun a single tail screw so yeah, death had to happen. That run ended with me having only 300 mp left :/
    Three stacks are cleansed easily, but when its more than that, at least in that one run i had to let someone face the risk of death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AiChyan View Post
    The only time in which someone died on me due to this status effect was when it was placed as follows:
    - Me single stack
    - Dps 1 double stack
    - Dps 2 double stack

    I had to sacrifice one dps since i couldn't clear 5 stacks before the next hit. And tank didn't stun a single tail screw so yeah, death had to happen. That run ended with me having only 300 mp left :/
    Three stacks are cleansed easily, but when its more than that, at least in that one run i had to let someone face the risk of death.
    I don't think I've ever seen multiple stacks on people. I'm guessing everyone was standing too close together and they were getting hit by multiple slimes?

    If you miss half a second and the boss tags 3 of you.
    -you
    -dps
    -dps
    Then most likely 1 of you will die.
    If you don't have PoM or swiftcast off of cool down it will be impossible, unless the tank stuns the move.
    Also if you don't start casting esuna/ leech on the mogdark debuff by the first second then there won't be enough time to get them both as they might be unfortunately out of range thus wasting time, thus killing them lol.
    You have a good amount of time to Esuna 3 people without any kind of casting speed buffs... I go all out DPSing on my whm in that fight and even being midcast I've never failed to get rid of all 3 debuffs. Keep an eye out for the tank being stunned and the slime being shot so you know it is coming.

    About the moogles, it's not even the Moogle Go Round debuff that I'm talking about. The icons are super similar and I'm sure its intentionally done that way to trick healers and that def would need some practice to figure out. I've had multiple failures because the charm doesn't get Esuna'd, the charm that has really noticeable pink chains for a few seconds before it actually hits and has a unique, moogle face debuff icon in the party list.
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    Last edited by Estellios; 11-06-2014 at 02:54 PM.

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    Yumi_umi's Avatar
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    Yumi Umi
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    If your party fails at that mechanic more than 2 times and they r aware of tht mechanic then u really need to call em out and say dps is piss or dumb.
    Cuz i had a group where the tank told them to hit the boss due to the mechanics and they just went on failing wipe after wipe.
    The captain shot me for
    All my hp which is a whooping
    6.6k hp ( no food) + stoneskin ( so another 1.2k hp or so) + a benediction at 500ish hp + a swiftcast stoneskin.
    So thats around a total of 14k hp of dmg done.... To a healer.
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
    If your party fails at that mechanic more than 2 times and they r aware of tht mechanic then u really need to call em out and say dps is piss or dumb.
    Cuz i had a group where the tank told them to hit the boss due to the mechanics and they just went on failing wipe after wipe.
    The captain shot me for
    All my hp which is a whooping
    6.6k hp ( no food) + stoneskin ( so another 1.2k hp or so) + a benediction at 500ish hp + a swiftcast stoneskin.
    So thats around a total of 14k hp of dmg done.... To a healer.
    vit spec healer.. I'm baffled at how scrub this is...
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
    If your party fails at that mechanic more than 2 times and they r aware of tht mechanic then u really need to call em out and say dps is piss or dumb.
    Cuz i had a group where the tank told them to hit the boss due to the mechanics and they just went on failing wipe after wipe.
    The captain shot me for
    All my hp which is a whooping
    6.6k hp ( no food) + stoneskin ( so another 1.2k hp or so) + a benediction at 500ish hp + a swiftcast stoneskin.
    So thats around a total of 14k hp of dmg done.... To a healer.
    Right, cause calling people names is the best way to get them to pay attention to what you're saying.

    How about just explaining the mechanic more clearly? Are you certain they understood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estellios View Post
    It baffles me hearing healers not taking off that status effect. You have more than enough time to get it off everyone, it's an effect that pops up after an enemy attack lands, and it's colored red. Then again nearly every one of my failed DF Moogle EX parties was because of healers never using Esuna/Leeches on anything.

    I've been running these experts as WHM constantly to work on my Nexus lights and I feel I might snap at someone if I didn't.
    If you miss half a second and the boss tags 3 of you.
    -you
    -dps
    -dps
    Then most likely 1 of you will die.
    If you don't have PoM or swiftcast off of cool down it will be impossible, unless the tank stuns the move.
    Also if you don't start casting esuna/ leech on the mogdark debuff by the first second then there won't be enough time to get them both as they might be unfortunately out of range thus wasting time, thus killing them lol.
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    Floki Dybvaag
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    Excalibur
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    Archer Lv 50
    Is it possible to get out of the way of Madson's sword swipe after he dashes at you? Not that I've ever had a problem dying to the mechanic, but just wondering how to avoid it if it's possible.
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    Neri Feralheart
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    I thought for the first boss, it was just: tank interrupts Tail Screw. If Tank gets the Prey debuff, they pass it off to a DPS so they are not stunned when the Tail Screw happens.

    Is there really any more to it than that? Are you saying that the stun itself can be esunaed if you leave the prey on the tank?
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