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    Whata re the current support skills (and Icons)

    I want to know what are the skills best tuned for support like the Bard's Songs, Apocatastasis and Goad but what are the other skills and how to they support classes other than their own?
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    Redacted to prevent any misunderstandings

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    There is also Mantra from Pugilist it increases healing for groupmembers by 5%/20%
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    Convalescence isn't a support ability, it's a tanking C/D, albeit one of the weaker ones since it's used to recover from a big hit (or series of hits) rather than mitigate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins View Post
    There is also Mantra from Pugilist it increases healing for groupmembers by 5%/20%
    Oh thanks! I knew I was forgetting something. I'll add it to the list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prototype909 View Post
    Convalescence isn't a support ability, it's a tanking C/D, albeit one of the weaker ones since it's used to recover from a big hit (or series of hits) rather than mitigate it.
    Read. The. Post.
    I mentioned it on the first few sentences that I listed down the actions that affect your party members directly, as per the OP's request. Convalescence increases the healing output received. Since this means that healers and any other source of healing from other party members is affected by this buff, it can be considered to affect the healing potential and therefore can be considered a support ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    Oh thanks! I knew I was forgetting something. I'll add it to the list.



    Read. The. Post.
    I mentioned it on the first few sentences that I listed down the actions that affect your party members directly, as per the OP's request. Convalescence increases the healing output received. Since this means that healers and any other source of healing from other party members is affected by this buff, it can be considered to affect the healing potential and therefore can be considered a support ability.
    Convalescence is as much a support skill as Inner Beast is. Its a tank's defensive CD, not a party support action.

    (For the record, Rouse and Spur also are not support actions as they are Pet Buffs. Rouse can only be somewhat considered support when used by a SCH to increase the fairy's healing output, but it is NOT a support action at all when used by a SMN to increase their own pet's damage output [akin to saying Raging Strikes is a support action])
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    Last edited by PArcher; 11-04-2014 at 04:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
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    You're missing what was requested from the OP;

    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
    I want to know what are the skills best tuned for support like the Bard's Songs, Apocatastasis and Goad but what are the other skills and how do they support classes other than their own?
    What I took for consideration was any action that support other party members other than themselves. Not only does Convalescence increase your own healing spells, but it also increases the strength of your party member's healing spells that you receive. Inner Beast does not support anyone other than yourself, so I don't consider it a support skill as per the OP's requests. Rouse can be considered a support skill because it affects a party member; in this case your pet.

    It's fine if you don't agree; You are welcome make yer own list and post it right here. The more the merrier!
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    Last edited by AdamFyi; 11-04-2014 at 05:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    I'll start from the beginning to the end, if you don't mind. This post will be quite lengthy though. Also, I've taken the liberty to omit the ones you've mentioned as well as only mention the skills that affect your party members directly.
    Way too wide a definition for "Support skill".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sousoulsu View Post
    Way too wide a definition for "Support skill".
    Very well, I yield. it seems I'm wrong. So I'll just redact everything so that there's no misunderstandings. Someone else go on ahead and post a complete version in my place, m'kay?
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    Last edited by AdamFyi; 11-04-2014 at 08:11 PM.

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    A good rule of thumb might be, "A support ability is one that puts a buff icon on another player." This cuts out loose definition stuff like, "Rampart is a support ability because it helps the healer spend less MP." or "Blood for blood is a support ability because it helps prevent the tank from dying from a mob beating on him for too long."

    WHM: Protect, Stoneskin, Regen, Medica II
    SCH: Eye for an Eye, Adloquiem, Succor, Sacred Soil, Whispering Dawn, Fey Covenant, Fey Illumination, Fey Glow, Fey Light
    SMN: Eye for an Eye
    BLM: Apocatastasis
    BRD: Mage's Ballad, Army's Paeon, Swiftsong
    MNK: Mantra
    NIN: Goad
    PLD: Cover

    This definition, though, doesn't include some abilities that are pretty clearly support, such as:

    SCH: Physick, Leeches, Embrace, Lustrate
    WHM: Esuna, Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Medica

    It also doesn't include abilities that debuff the mob in such a way that it makes your party capable of dealing more damage, such as:

    BRD: Foe Requiem
    MNK: Dragon Kick
    DRG: Disembowel
    WAR: Storm's Eye
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