So how about that lag?

[Clavaat]

In before "Your internet is junk".

Again with this?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...playable/page5

Read. Learn. Experiment. Post results. Blindly blaming gets you nowhere. It's not SE. Since 2.1, it has never been SE. Prove me wrong. I dare you. Don't even "well this is the only game blahblahblah", you know for a fact that doesn't matter. It's the U.S. and its shitty infrastructure, with CDN's and ISP's throttling data or just generally being garbage because why not, people don't understand anyway. So yes, our internet is junk. Difference is, some of us actually try to do something about it. Others just post bullshit.

Call your provider. Call SE. Post in Tech Support, not in General Discussion. But just going "Well I knew. You guys, I knew it was bad from the beginning. They clearly don't care about this." is incredibly inane and unhelpful. Be a part of the solution, don't add to the problem. Post hard facts and data and move on.

[ApolloGenX]

Again with this?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...playable/page5

Read. Learn. Experiment. Post results. Blindly blaming gets you nowhere. It's not SE. Since 2.1, it has never been SE. Prove me wrong. I dare you.

Fine, blame the American internetz. I guess they should just say on the box "Internet connection required- American internet isn't so great though...sorry America - everything else is fine, but this game doesn't work well with your internet- guess you should pass some internet regulatory laws so that FFXIV works better."

[Clavaat]

Fine, blame the American internetz. I guess they should just say on the box "Internet connection required- American internet isn't so great though...sorry America - everything else is fine, but this game doesn't work well with your internet- guess you should pass some internet regulatory laws so that FFXIV works better."

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Haven't had tea yet...apologies.

[Tupsi]

Fine, blame the American internetz. I guess they should just say on the box "Internet connection required- American internet isn't so great though...sorry America - everything else is fine, but this game doesn't work well with your internet- guess you should pass some internet regulatory laws so that FFXIV works better."

Let's put it this way:

If it was the servers and purely on SE's end.

No. One Would have a smooth gaming experience - Not. A. Single. Person. So if most of your players are in-game, playing and not even complaining about the lag...that kind of throws SE and the servers/datacenter out of the equation as being the biggest factor.

We already know the issues lies inbetween you (player) and the datacenter. Aka, Level3.net being one of the biggest issues that affects not just XIV, but numerous other MMOs and even non gaming services.

[ApolloGenX]

Let's put it this way:

If it was the servers and purely on SE's end.

No. One Would have a smooth gaming experience - Not. A. Single. Person. So if most of your players are in-game, playing and not even complaining about the lag...that kind of throws SE and the servers/datacenter out of the equation as being the biggest factor.

We already know the issues lies inbetween you (player) and the datacenter. Aka, Level3.net being one of the biggest issues that affects not just XIV, but numerous other MMOs and even non gaming services.

Fair enough... I've never had issues... well I got errors when the game first launched, but they did fix those. I just think dismissing the issue as "the internet" is a bit cavalier. I have certainly seen issues in other games that hit some groups hard be addressed when the company took steps to improve things by adding datacenters, moving things, etc. This was after internet "PhDs" diagnosed the problem as an "internet issue" and of course tried to explain the game company was completely blameless.

I guess I am a skeptic of such internet "experts". Also, the claim that no one would have a smooth gaming experience if it was on their side is un-provable conjecture. There have been plenty of cases where game companies resolved issues on their side that affected SOME players. Arbitrary blanket statements like this are what make me question validity of comments and motives.

[Clavaat]

I guess I am a skeptic of such internet "experts". Also, the claim that no one would have a smooth gaming experience if it was on their side is un-provable conjecture. There have been plenty of cases where game companies resolved issues on their side that affected SOME players. Arbitrary blanket statements like this are what make me question validity of comments and motives.

Firstly, I agree about the arbitrary statements point. That goes both ways, as I posted in response to another person. Saying it's the game vs. it's the ISP is not correct in any way, shape or form.

Secondly, I'm not an internet expert, but I know the basics of how to discover where an issue is occurring. In 90% of the cases I've read on this forum, it's the fault of CDN's such as Level3. It's really not that difficult to figure out. tracert, ping to SE's ISP, and bam, you have some answers. Do this several times at different times of day and provide your results to those at fault. The Verizon issue in particular, affects more than a few people. That's a big company.

Thirdly, adding datacenters is already happening, and it is insanely expensive. The game being a year old and having the revenue to do such a thing is astounding.

[Noshpan]

Snip because character limits, and I have to edit this thing to add the rest anyway.

Well, Verizon has admitted, while placing the blame squarely on L3 (but it was L3 that discovered this), to intentionally bottle-necking their customers at the L3 line in order to force L3 to cave into their extortion fee (much like what they did to Netflix).

And I wouldn't put it past any major ISP (such as Comcast and AT&T) to do the same thing (Comcast has already done it and I'm willing to bet my breakfast burrito is STILL doing it). But, hey! It's perfectly legal to do in the US because we wouldn't want to restrict companies from being able to make profit in any way (even if regulations are to prevent business douchbaggery). Hell, the congressmen whom are bought off by the major communications companies are trying to pass laws that give these companies legal grounds to essentially put in a "slow lane".

But I'm digressing and that's an argument for an entirely different thread.

[Clavaat]

But I'm digressing and that's an argument for an entirely different thread.

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would disagree with you haha. It is relevant to this discussion, because those specific facts are affecting our connection. It grows worse during patch times because they are being flooded by users.

Also, as far as Verizon is concerned, my connection isn't passing through level3 at all, but Alter.net, but I was experiencing the same issues (haven't really been on during peak hours recently).

[Dgsoil]

And I wouldn't put it past any major ISP (such as Comcast and AT&T)

FTC is taking legal action against AT&T for selling unlimited data plans then throttling the shit out of their customers. I'd hope it would send a message to NA ISP's but almighty greed will always win out. I used to have AT&T and it was god awful at some points, I couldn't go into T7 for over a month without getting at least 1 90k, I switched providers not too long before this happened and now I can happily play without half the issues I used to have.