Question For Dev team: Can you please low the soldiery cost for Animus books?

[Fyce]

The problem is not getting any better, being nice about it doesn't work.
The excuse of rng being the only hurdle for the welfare cases was a lie and everyone knew it.
I and many many others are sick of it because we know the welfare crowd will not be satisfied until they get a give me item now button and nothing but a striking dummy in coil that triggers a cut scene once you hit it.
They will say other wise but this thread shows it's just an on going lie.

Being rude doesn't help it either.
But the point is, for that particular case, that the Animus relic weapon is harder to get in 2.4 than in 2.3 (with hunts). Yet, with the Soldiery not being weekly locked anymore, the i110 weapon are becoming the base weapon for everyone.

In short terms, 2.4 made the Animus weapon harder/longer to get and even more useless than before because of the i110 Soldiery weapons.
Someone who isn't fully geared with Soldiery stuff has absolutly no reason to start wasting his/her Soldiery tomestones for a less effective weapon, besides vanity (at the cost of not upgrading the rest of your stuff).

Nobody is asking for a free Animus. What is being asked is to balance the content in a logical order, and not making an outdated weapon harder/longer to get than it was previously.

... but for some reason, some people in this thread are failing at understanding the logic behind that request.

[Izsha]

True the 'not as intended' is interpretation. Makes sense to me but obviously debatable. Hunts added. Dailies buffed and B ranks relegated to weekly individuals. Hunts tomes nerfed (used to be sold and myth now only soldiery and no buff to compensate for lost myth except S ranks) tied with statement talking about adjusting content rewards to encourage different uses of content (I read as, to many people doing hunts not enough doing dungeons/trials/PvP so don't scale hunts like other content to encourage alternative activities).

All that aside the point still stands that farming books now is actually faster from all tome sources by a large margin (books thirded. Most sources same rewards) with the exception of hunts. So those complaining books and animus are to expensive are (most likely) heavy hunters. To which I say go do other stuff that give tomes faster than ever (relatively speaking for books) instead of crying that hunts aren't the faceroll tome pinatas they once were.

If you honestly think tomes are harder to come by you need to step outside of hunt land and see that there are other sources of tomes and they are all 3x as efficient as they once were instead of dwelling on hunts. Books are faster than ever if you do ANYTHING in this game besides hunt. Don't be so I dimensional.

[Fyce]

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Why are you saying that "Most sources same rewards", like you were to earn as much Myth as you now earn Soldiery? I'm asking, because that's absolutly not true. You earn less Soldiery from overall content. Just look up some comparison charts from 2.3 to 2.4.
Plus these Soldiery have far more uses than Myth had, making them more valuable.

Nobody is crying because hunts aren't as profitable as before, stop putting words in one's mouth. But, if you look at all tomestone sources and the uses of theses tomestones, 2.3 was way easier than 2.4.
And if you add that the Animus is now even more useless due to the i110 weapon being mainstream, you should understand why that's completly illogical.

[RiceisNice]

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I can agree the order of progression and the requirements for the current state of relic is still pretty out of order; Getting up to zenith requires a total of 560 tomestones (ilvl90) and a weathered weapon (ilvl100) is 1300, this one being practically a hand-away now with current ST (and lets toss in sands for ilvl 110). I'd be more willing to accept the cut-away if Atma actually had the stats of a ilvl 100...

Yes its comparatively harder, but only because you had an OP'd source of tomes like hunts taken away. Roulettes in return got buffed up that you could reasonably get a book at least once per day, though that's including story and low level roulette which is pretty suffering (versus me reasonably getting 1 per day from hunts pre 2.4.)

Though I can't say that was OP's intention, not when you look at his first post anyway; I didn't skim the topic enough to see any other implications toward this.

If you honestly think tomes are harder to come by you need to step outside of hunt land and see that there are other sources of tomes and they are all 3x as efficient as they once were instead of dwelling on hunts. Books are faster than ever if you do ANYTHING in this game besides hunt. Don't be so I dimensional.

Why are you saying that "Most sources same rewards", like you were to earn as much Myth as you now earn Soldiery? I'm asking, because that's absolutly not true. You earn less Soldiery from overall content. Just look up some comparison charts from 2.3 to 2.4.
Plus these Soldiery have far more uses than Myth had, making them more valuable.

Nobody is crying because hunts aren't as profitable as before, stop putting words in one's mouth. But, if you look at all tomestone sources and the uses of theses tomestones, 2.3 was way easier than 2.4.
And if you add that the Animus is now even more useless due to the i110 weapon being mainstream, you should understand why that's completly illogical.

Old Expert dungeons gave 100 myths, now it's down to 35 soldierly
Brayflox Heroic gave 75 myths, now its down to 25.
New Experts give 50 soldierly.

The way I see it, dungeon rewards for the most apart are the same rates (you needed 20 Brayflox heroics for 1500 myth, 20 brayflox heroics for 500 myth now) for the most part. Comparison of relative experts (now vs before) it'd take 10 runs in 2.4, versus 15 in 2.3.

I mean granted, even if we were to do the rate of conversions for how much we earn, it's unchanged as far as costs of weathered is concerned. But I wasn't capped at 2.2 going into 2.3, so I can't comment on the prices of myth gear or even myth rewards in 2.2 compared to 2.3.

[Zeke_Anderson]

Being rude doesn't help it either.
But the point is, for that particular case, that the Animus relic weapon is harder to get in 2.4 than in 2.3 (with hunts). Yet, with the Soldiery not being weekly locked anymore, the i110 weapon are becoming the base weapon for everyone.

In short terms, 2.4 made the Animus weapon harder/longer to get and even more useless than before because of the i110 Soldiery weapons.
Someone who isn't fully geared with Soldiery stuff has absolutly no reason to start wasting his/her Soldiery tomestones for a less effective weapon, besides vanity (at the cost of not upgrading the rest of your stuff).

Nobody is asking for a free Animus. What is being asked is to balance the content in a logical order, and not making an outdated weapon harder/longer to get than it was previously.

... but for some reason, some people in this thread are failing at understanding the logic behind that request.

I totally get it. The first hand out wasn't enough, simple as that.
That it what is being said here with a new excuse. It will be the same when SE rolls out more welfare for the whiners. It will continue to be the same when the welfare crowd hits novus and cries materia costs too much and takes too long to SB.
It will continue to be the same after a novus handout happens and the light grind gets cried about.
Most people saw atma nerf as just the welfares crying getting their way by using the excuse of we don't want a hand out. Thing is the constant crying about this just shows that indeed they do want a hand out. They just want to hide behind a weak excuse until it time to tear up again.
If you cannot commit to the grind get a 110 through ST and be done. Not everything is meant to be obtained by every player.

[Fyce]

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My point is: you can't gear yourself up AND buy the Animus book at the same time in 2.4, whereas it was possible to do in 2.3.
Plus, now that i110 weapons are becoming the current weapon base, it's even less interesting to do the Animus.

Currently, there's no point in starting to buy the Animus book if you don't have your full weathered/unweathered set yet, at least for your main class.

[Zeyphr_Darkshadow]

ahhhh the days when people would do 40 minute runs of Castrum Meridianum and Preatorium just for 50 Philosophy and actually enjoy it, it was the best <3

[Izsha]

What is this "you can't gear up and buy animus books simultaneously"? 2.3-2.38 books cost myth. Best gear was sold 450 lockout to gear. If you mean gearing up as i90, then you had to spend it on either books or 90 gear (or farm coil1). And there were crafting mats and junk to buy with myth then too.

Previously myth shared between 90 gear, mats, books. 110 Sold 450 cap.
Now sold shared between 110 gear, mats, books. 130 Poetic 450 cap.

I have now idea what your trying to say here.

[Zeke_Anderson]

ahhhh the days when people would do 40 minute runs of Castrum Meridianum and Preatorium just for 50 Philosophy and actually enjoy it, it was the best <3

You mean back when the welfare crowd was still leveling?
Also I guess what they also forget is during philo phase out myth was not upped until the next patch. Which will most likley happen next patch as was pretty much already stated by the devs.
Nah, why remember that cause it's much easier to hit the forums and crank up the tears.

[Fyce]

What is this "you can't gear up and buy animus books simultaneously"? 2.3-2.38 books cost myth. Best gear was sold 450 lockout to gear. If you mean gearing up as i90, then you had to spend it on either books or 90 gear (or farm coil1). And there were crafting mats and junk to buy with myth then too.
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In 2.3, your were able to buy tomestone gear (i90) with Allied seals and keep your tomestones (Mythology) for the Animus books.
In 2.4, tomestone gear (weathered i100) is so expensive in Allied seals that you need to buy them with tomestone (Soldiery), preventing you from using these tomestones for the Animus books.

"Crafting mats & junk", as you call them, are irrelevant.

So, you can't compare the number of dungeon runs to do for a book if you don't keep that fact in mind.

tl;dr: In 2.4, people have to buy their tomestone gear with tomestones. In 2.3, people could use Allied seals instead.