Quote Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf View Post
Ramuh thus isn't entirely wrong to blame mankind for the ills of the world.
Y'sholta is also cynical of the spoken races as well. As her reactions to certain actions (incendently 2 of which are in Limsa) shows,

That said I agree with you on the "Iceheart is not a strawman" thing. As you said she had seen and known of things we do not. Also she dosen't seem to be using fallacies in her speech like strawmen.