Suggestion for Heavensward expansion: Lancer 2nd Job Holy Dragoon. Make it a tank.

[therpgfanatic]

Since Dragoons appear to play a big role in the next expansion I have a suggestion I hope that the developers (and players) will really take to heart:

It's great that Dark Knights will be a tank spec. We need more awesome iconic classes to be tanks. The game has enough DPS classes and there needs to be some balancing out with more healer and tank Jobs.


But I imagine that Dark Knights will need to be leveled up from 1 to 50. This won't help the queue times at patch launch. So I suggest that a 2nd Job be added for Lancers: Holy Dragoon ( Kain's class upgrade in FF IV: The After Years).



The quest requirement could be to already have unlocked Dragoon and be level 50, and also have level 15 in Conjurer.

Think about it. If every current Dragoon player had the option to do a 20 minute quest to unlock a tanking spec, the nightmare queue times on Duty Finders (over an hour these days) would probably vanish overnight, as people who already have a Lancer at level 50 would not have to re-level a new class to become a tank. That is the main hurdle to solving this issue; they have to grind up from 1-50 all over again on a class whose playstyle they might not enjoy. But Holy Dragoons would still use the same basic rotations as a Dragoon; it's essentially the same class just performing a different party role.

Plus those players who really love the idea of being a Dragoon would not need to abandon being a Dragoon in order to roll as a tank when necessary.

Holy Dragoons could have a toggle buff that, similar to Shield Oath, dramatically increases their threat generation and damage reduction while decreasing their offensive damage. Give them a few defensive cooldowns unique to the class, and allow Gladiator and Marauder abilities to be cross-class skills (Provoke, Flash, Foresight, Mercy Stroke, etc -- also use Stone-skin, Cure and Protect from Conjurer) and allow them to wear tanking gear.

Holy Dragoon players would become effective tanks with these slight changes, the extremely long wait time for DF queues would vanish AND it would fit in line with the idea of the new expansion.

I really hope the developers seriously consider doing this!

[FyrmurlFloerasksyn]

Na, make it a healing class. Just think about it, the more you impale your allies, the more you heal them! What? If a chemist can use a gun and heal, why cant a dragoon?

[therpgfanatic]

Na, make it a healing class. Just think about it, the more you impale your allies, the more you heal them! What? If a chemist can use a gun and heal, why cant a dragoon?

From a purely design perspective, I don't think healers are the issue with long wait times in DF. This is because Arcanists have two jobs: DPS (Summoner) or healer (Scholar). People level up as Summoners but then can switch to Scholar to overcome the DF troubles.

I'm suggesting something similar for Lancers, since Dragoon is a hugely iconic class that draws players to it. I think there is probably more Dragoon players than anything.

Right now tanks have to be leveled from 1-50 as a tank spec the entire time. Allowing someone to level up as a DPS spec instead (more useful for soloing) would help relieve the issues.

If we're going to add another healing Job for existing classes, it'd make more sense to have Thaumaturge be able to become Red Mages.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

While i don't mind them adding a Lancer tank job i don't see how it would impact DF wait times all that much. People who want to be tanks are already tanks. People that don't want to tank aren't likely to start doing it just because a new tank job is introduced. Sure there will be people playing the new job but it will mostly be the same ones who were playing the other 2 tank jobs. SE could add 100 new tank jobs and it still wouldn't change the amount of people tanking. Especially one like your suggesting that would be 50 from day 1. A new tank class that has to be leveled would help low level DF queues for a little while while the tanks get it to 50 but wouldnt have an impact on wait times for endgame.

[Tupsi]

Exactly, the one thing people don't seem to understand:

You can have 20 DPS Classes
20 Healing
20 Tank

You will still have DPS overflow and tank/heal underflow because most people quite frankly will not and do not want to tank or heal because DPS is the easiest to do in MMOs.

[Zebyxus]

Exactly, the one thing people don't seem to understand:

You can have 20 DPS Classes
20 Healing
20 Tank

You will still have DPS overflow and tank/heal underflow because most people quite frankly will not and do not want to tank or heal because DPS is the easiest to do in MMOs.

And let's not forget how toxic players get when either a tank or a healer makes a mistake...

[Fornix]

With 2.4 having made it so that the only thing a pld tank needs to do in duns is ultimately flash spam, all they need to do is create more easy tanking classes like that. Perhaps make them do competitive dps and the problem is solved.

[Saccharin]

Think about it. If every current Dragoon player had the option to do a 20 minute quest to unlock a tanking spec, the nightmare queue times on Duty Finders (over an hour these days) would probably vanish overnight, as people who already have a Lancer at level 50 would not have to re-level a new class to become a tank.

It's not as simple as that. It's never an issue of available tank specs. Also, how does a Dragoon tank work with synced dungeons since they don't have tank/enmity tools? Scholar only works because they have one heal and the faerie does most of the work.

[HumsterMKX]

Na, make it a healing class. Just think about it, the more you impale your allies, the more you heal them! What? If a chemist can use a gun and heal, why cant a dragoon?

Excellent Idea!!! A Dragoon healer that can raise other Dragoons!

Give it the ability to Raise himself and we are gold!

[therpgfanatic]

While i don't mind them adding a Lancer tank job i don't see how it would impact DF wait times all that much. People who want to be tanks are already tanks. People that don't want to tank aren't likely to start doing it just because a new tank job is introduced. Sure there will be people playing the new job but it will mostly be the same ones who were playing the other 2 tank jobs. .

Players usually do not choose classes based on party role, but rather the idea of the class.

In general, people nearly always play the same kinds of classes in MMORPGs even though the mechanics may be wholly different.

ex. if you play a Paladin in WoW, you'll probably play one in FF XIV.