First New Dungeon Experience - Seriously?

[Toodles]

We zerged down all the trash with ease, I mostly didn't have to leave Cleric Stance.

Our Loots? One Hero's Ring of Healing from about a year ago.

The rest, Crafting Materials.

What is going on SE?

Please, break the cycle of dead-on-arrival 4-mans.

[Mindylou]

no the loot is anticlimactic.

dungeons are fine

[KitanaiKoneko]

What did you expect from a minimum iLvl 80 dungeon while (probably) wearing full i110?

[AlexionSkylark]

What did you expect from a minimum iLvl 80 dungeon while (probably) wearing full i110?

My point exactly... if you want a dungeon tuned for i110 go to FCoB...

[Nestama]

My point exactly... if you want a dungeon tuned for i110 go to FCoB...

What's wrong with making a dungeon require a minimal ilvl of 95, dropping i105 gear and being as difficult as Pharos Sirius was back in 2.1?

This is what most of us are asking for! A challenging dungeon where grabbing every single mob of the room is a terrible idea (in PS, if you tried pulling the entire first room in 2.1, you were guaranteed a wipe due to all the AoE's the trash mobs could use. Banish III was also something you couldn't ignore). We're not asking for Coil difficulty.

[Zaft]

What's wrong with making a dungeon require a minimal ilvl of 95, dropping i105 gear and being as difficult as Pharos Sirius was back in 2.1?

This is what most of us are asking for! A challenging dungeon where grabbing every single mob of the room is a terrible idea (in PS, if you tried pulling the entire first room in 2.1, you were guaranteed a wipe due to all the AoE's the trash mobs could use. Banish III was also something you couldn't ignore). We're not asking for Coil difficulty.

Do you not remember the outcry at Pharos Sirius? Thread after thread of people begging for it to be nerfed?

If SE makes something hard, people will complain. If SE makes something easy, people will complain. There is no correct choice here.

[RiceisNice]

Do you not remember the outcry at Pharos Sirius? Thread after thread of people begging for it to be nerfed?

If SE makes something hard, people will complain. If SE makes something easy, people will complain. There is no correct choice here.

They really seem to have trouble hitting the middle ground with these updates.

[RiceisNice]

What did you expect from a minimum iLvl 80 dungeon while (probably) wearing full i110?

The problem is that the bolded became so incredibly easy and normalized with how OP'd hunt rewards were, among other things such as ST dropping sands/oil, it ended up trivializing new content almost immediately. Combined with them shoving the old myth gear in there, there's no option for glamour either compared to our previous expert tier.

Oh, and crafting material. Even worse now that it includes things like canard breast that is used in one recipe in the entire game.

[AlexionSkylark]

You couldn't get i110 (or weathered i100) from hunts. Only i90.

[RiceisNice]

You couldn't get i110 (or weathered i100) from hunts. Only i90.

Allied seals and comparatively more solderly tomes (versus roulettes) which could be exchanged into logs for sands/oil, bumping you up to 110. The only limiting factor was the weekly solderly limit, but even then the amount of seals you'd get would cover sands/oils if ST was being uncooperative in that.