*Spoilers Rogue* SE teasing us of the gunner class/Job XD

[Tiggy]

Correction. Its being Speculated as a healer by the players. It could easily be a DPS and at the Fan fest in december when the gun class details are revealed they then go on and tease a third class for the healer..

Yes, if you read further into the thread I pointed out that it was speculation.

Also, speculation is at least based on some amount of knowledge. You're assuming it could be a different class than a healer based off an event that hasn't happened yet.

Starlord. How do you reconcile the following details against your current opinion on what the gun class will be?

A) Dark Knight was strongly hinted at the week before using a shirt and then was confirmed. 007 on his shirt and gun motions are the same kind of hint. Why do you ignore the 007 aspect? Why was the t-shirt a valid hint the previous week that did indeed hint at Dark Knight and this week you can't believe it's a hint? Don't you think you're blatantly ignoring this piece of info?

B) Agent is actually a class in FF Tactics Advanced 2 and was a gun healer class. Does the 007 shirt really not lead you to this in a similar way batman lead to dark knight? If there wasn't an agent like class that would be one thing, but there is.

C) Yoshi said the gun class would be different than what we expected. Isn't a healing gun class unexpected? A DPS gunclass wouldn't exactly be considered unexpected. That would generally be what's considered expected because it's what most people want.

I'd say we have a different opinion if it actually felt like you were acknowledging certain details. Right now it feels like your ignoring the ones that are inconvenient to your position. I'd love to hear your opinion on those 3 points and how they reconcile with your current opinion and how all three as a whole reconcile. I'm not looking for a "I just agree" I'm more interested in specifics as to why.

Except the hint at London Fan Fest was that Yoshi P particularly likes the film "The man with the golden gun". SO the title is the clue not the James Bond bit. So it could easily not be Agent class at all.

If that movie is to be taken specifically serious then assassin would make the most since since the man with the golden gun was an assassin using the golden bullet to point out his targets. With the addition of Ninja a gun assassin seems kind of odly timed, and not quite unexpected. Possible I suppose but seems to be more of a stretch.

[Fellisin]

Yes, if you read further into the thread I pointed out that it was speculation. Also, speculation is at least based on some amount of knowledge. You're assuming it could be a different class than a healer based off an event that hasn't happened yet.

Starlord. How do you reconcile the following details against your current opinion on what the gun class will be?

A) Dark Knight was strongly hinted at the week before using a shirt and then was confirmed. 007 on his shirt and gun motions are the same kind of hint. Why do you ignore the 007 aspect? Why was the t-shirt a valid hint the previous week that did indeed hint at Dark Knight and this week you can't believe it's a hint? Don't you think you're blatantly ignoring this piece of info?

B) Agent is actually a class in FF Tactics Advanced 2 and was a gun healer class. Does the 007 shirt really not lead you to this in a similar way batman lead to dark knight? If there wasn't an agent like class that would be one thing, but there is.

C) Yoshi said the gun class would be different than what we expected. Isn't a healing gun class unexpected? A DPS gunclass wouldn't exactly be considered unexpected. That would generally be what's considered expected because it's what most people want.

I'd say we have a different opinion if it actually felt like you were acknowledging certain details. Right now it feels like your ignoring the ones that are inconvenient to your position. I'd love to hear your opinion on those 3 points and how they reconcile with your current opinion and how all three as a whole reconcile. I'm not looking for a "I just agree" I'm more interested in specifics as to why.

A) Because the Dark Knight T-Shirt was hinting at the film title which turned out to be the job. The London Fan Fest T-shirt was the logo for the film "The Man with the golden gun" but that seems to be ignored by going with just for the literal 007 reference instead.

B)No because batman doesn't really lead to Dark Knight without at actual reference of a particular era with in the batman franchise. Bat man clue could easily lead to Cape Crusader. Not really going get Dark Knight from that. Hell I'm pretty sure somewhere in batman franchise there is a samurai batman.

C) Or he could of meant it play more a support type role than a traditional DPS. Or that it won't be the musketeer which everyone been expecting since 1.0. It could be read a dozen different ways if you so wish to read it.

I'm not ignoring any points. I'm pointing out its speculation & that it could easily NOT be agent class. Till december we will not know either way. I rather wait till actual confirmation of facts before convincing myself it certainly going be something because it happens to the popular idea amongst some players at present based on a very vague clue.

If that movie is to be taken specifically serious then assassin would make the most since since the man with the golden gun was an assassin using the golden bullet to point out his targets. With the addition of Ninja a gun assassin seems kind of odly timed, and not quite unexpected. Possible I suppose but seems to be more of a stretch.

Yes I'm pretty sure there a few who would see Agent to be a stretch as well. Since the job belonged to one character in one game within the FF franchise.

[Tiggy]

A) Because the Dark Knight T-Shirt was hinting at the film title which turned out to be the job. The London Fan Fest T-shirt was the logo for the film "The Man with the golden gun" but that seems to be ignored by going with just for the literal 007 reference instead.

B)No because batman doesn't really lead to Dark Knight without at actual reference of a particular era with in the batman franchise. Bat man clue could easily lead to Cape Crusader. Not really going get Dark Knight from that. Hell I'm pretty sure somewhere in batman franchise there is a samurai batman.

You're REALLY stretching there. Batman himself IS the dark knight. That film is just many in which the Dark Knight appears. Batman himself is the reference. Not that specific movie. Come on man. If I went up to someone's and asked them "Who's the Dark Knight" you aren't going to get an answer like "well that depends. Are we talking the 1940's or the 1990's? Cause we might have different answers." No, they'll just say batman because he's colloquially known as the Dark Knight. You're really pushing past the point of reasonable here just to try and prove me wrong on some technicality that almost no one would possibly know?. Aren't you taking things a bit too far and extremely literally when we are in the context of hints that have loose connections to begin with?

[Fellisin]

You're REALLY stretching there. Batman himself IS the dark knight. That film is just many in which the Dark Knight appears. Batman himself is the reference. Not that specific movie. Come on man. If I went up to someone's and asked them "Who's the Dark Knight" you aren't going to get an answer like "well that depends. Are we talking the 1940's or the 1990's? Cause we might have different answers." No, they'll just say batman because he's colloquially known as the Dark Knight. You're really pushing past the point of reasonable here just to try and prove me wrong. Aren't you taking things a bit too far and extremely literally when we are in the context of hints?

Kettle, pot, black springs to mind on your stretching point now.

Yoshi P specifically stated he like the Christopher Nolan batman (coupled with the T-shirt) to get to the Dark Knight. Just like he specifically stated a particular james bond film, which gets ignored and people focus on James bond aspect of the clue instead. Leading to the speculation of agent.

We must be of different era's because I certainly didn't grow up with knowing him colloquially as the Dark Knight. Since his main nickname has been for decades the Cape Crusader.

[Starlord]

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Well, personally, I don't dive into speculation all that much as speculation aren't facts and just plainly a guess, nothing more. All I said in the OP is that they seem to be teasing the gun class ( and they are release a gun class, so that is fact). However I didn't dive into specifics like you are in your speculation as to why you think the gun class will a healer. I leave all that to facts when it's becomes official.

I hope you can respectfully understand my stance so we don't have to continue this discussion.