The Abonimation Known as WTFWHM

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

PLD silence? Is off CD and as for accuracy it should not miss like water.

doesn't work :P

[File2ish]

I really hate when people precast regen and medica II (especially the latter). It's so pointless, it's not succor and aldo. Precasting Stoneskin is an entirely different matter though.

I stoneskin the DPS, I really don't see why you wouldn't other than laziness. Sure, it's 5 seconds longer you have to wait if I cast it at the start of a duty, but it saves me MP in the long run since they can essentially absorb one or two relatively large hits, it saves me from needing to heal them if they somehow manage to get hit by an AoE. It's essentially free mitigation when cast outside or near the very end of battle before everyone runs to the next set of mobs (because you know, you can estimate when the last mob will die and pop SS before it does). There's no reason not to use it on the DPS.

Popping stoneskin during in the middle of battle can be a large waste of MP though. I've seen several WHMs in duties popping SS on people when they really should be focused on healing.

[Nijuka87]

This is a valid use of fluid aura...



...and this isn't. There's no reason to knock it away from tank if you're going to sleep it. The tank can use flash to build enmity on it so that it does not come after you when it wakes up, and the dps won't pull it when it they switch to it.



This is a viable reason not to raise someone. What I was saying in the OP is that some healers just say "f*ck u dps" from the beginning and never planned on healing them from the start.

Sometimes it is best to sleep a mob so less damage is being done as it has the same effect of the tank just tanking an each dps focuses each down only with the added benefit of the mod not attacking for x amount of time.

[Nijuka87]

happened in he past, as a tank I ask nicely not to use fluid aura
and the WHM will go "I am doing more dps so monsters die quicker" while the monk and dragoon cry as they run after the mob

Yes, its sad some don't know when an how to use it properly , if im CS to help focus down mobs i save FA for the last hit , that i know will either kill or put it where the dots last tick will.

[Cynfael]

Sometimes it is best to sleep a mob so less damage is being done as it has the same effect of the tank just tanking an each dps focuses each down only with the added benefit of the mod not attacking for x amount of time.

This applies only to low-level duties where your party might lack AoE damage options, and even then it is highly situational. Please never utilize FA+Repose under normal circumstances, because it is incredibly aggravating.

[Nijuka87]

As the healer if i feel it needed, i'll use the method. Its utility to reduce damage for x amount of time. which can be used in any dungeon . Aoe adds more dps but we are strictly talking healer to tank. Any effort to reduce th load on the tank (sleeping a mob takes a mob out of the fight an the tank doesn't have to worry about it which should be welcomed). The problem is no communication in party. There is a difference between trolling an being helpful, Remember youre working with other people, who play differently an may have ways to do their job, in some ways may have better ways of doing things. Granted If so happends a whm sleeps a mob, no matter how aggravting it may be for you, attacking it is far more aggravating to the whm or blm which you've just made their act of trying to be helpful pointless, wasteing their mp (whm) an with demising returns yeah. Remember healing can be done two ways, Preventive action (Stoneskin, sleep, CS dps) or reactive action (cure, regen etc).

[Cynfael]

snip.

I play BLM, and no decent BLM is running around trying to Sleep mobs because they are busy AoEing. Like pretty much everyone else. Besides, if your BLM isn't focused on AoEing during trash pulls, you have to wonder what they're doing there in the first place.

AoEing trash pulls is how you do dungeon runs; this is why Sleep is far less useful in practice than it appears. Also, no one (tank and healer included) wants to take more time to do dungeons than they really need to. The object of the game is not "let's see how little damage we can take." You don't win by mitigation or healing alone.

Using a knockback ability to position a mob away from the action in order to guarantee that your Sleep isn't accidentally broken isn't better. The only circumstance under which your party will appreciate this behavior is if they are truly struggling to the point where they can't handle more than one mob at a time, which isn't really a thing except at very low levels where AoE damage isn't great across the board and tanks can be even worse.

[Nijuka87]

To a point I agree , its still a tactic that can be used an itsn't useless, i pointed out blm just because of their aoe sleep vs whms situational single target sleep. If im healing a Squishy tank or a tank pulling more damage than im prepaird for or geared for, i'll use any options i have to help. For what reason it may be, Stragger , tank losing aggro on one mob, If i have to use FA to get it away from me i will but i will also swiftcast sleep on it aswell , Sleep lasting longer than the bind does, what the tank does from there is up to the tank. What i am saying is Sleeping FA or any other spell is very useful , its only a matter of how an when it is used an who is using it. Only a healer can make the call at that time, just as with CS dance between dps an heal. I hardly use Sleep , an never use it in CT or ST But i could see how it can be used (on some mobs) as another interupt besides silence, stun.

[Kassiekane]

I tell him he is in Cleric Stance. He doesn't respond, other than to say "Sorry I got distracted." Lovely.

We respawn back at the start, and I watch him re-apply Cleric Stance as soon as he possibly can.

Kudos to you for putting up with that.

[erkhardt]

I generally gauge whether or not to DPS as WHM based on how the party is doing. If they are doing fine and the DPS are dodging mechanics, tank is holding aggro, then sure I'll fling some damage then stance dance where appropriate. It's second nature to me now. I almost never use repose, when I do, it's in the absence of AoE parties in low level runs. I used to use FA+Repose, but again, previous statement. FA alone I almost never use; the only time I use FA is when something makes a beeline right for me. That is usually never, even with under-experienced tanks. I just watch the hate table.

Speed runners rejoice! I can deal with you doing crazy stuff. Tanks ask me all the time, SR? I reply, "you can do whatever you want. I'll keep up with ya." I do warn them though at lower levels that my toolkit is quite sparse, so just be careful. Waaaay easier to handle speedrunning with a full toolkit at 50.