The Abonimation Known as WTFWHM

[Kukajoo]

i love this thread omg
it's like a handy dandy "what not to do" book for whm
though most of it is common sense, everything is learning

[Lycelle]

I'm laughing too damn much from the OP. I play both SCH and WHM and I'm in fact guilty of WTFWHM. I used to do this on CNJ a lot and to spice it up I went even as far as to slot Provoke from Marauder's bar. I was a heavy troll back then, go into a dungeon, do Medica II before a pull (mind you I'd take off my Soul Crystal). Caught aggro from the mob, tank uses flash. Nah you want this aggro back? You gonna earn it. Use provoke on the mob. I made a few tanks rage quit in dungeons. All those months of people making Lala jokes got to me. xD

[Rannie]

You know I'm not going to lie in the very low dungeons (Satasha and those dungeons) ... I use cleric stance most of the time. I've found that when I'm in the cleric stance for it I build up less hate due to the fact that the cure potency is lower. I'd rather do cast the cure for a lower potency then cast 2 cures and BAM! get the aggro. I hate being hit. However, if I need to I will switch out of it asap so I can cast the higher amount cure. I'll also use the Fluid Aura in those dungeons to push away the mob when that happens... Granted, when I do this, I'm far enough away to basically push them right back to the tank.

I tend to cringe when the other healers in the party decide their MP is best spent on being DPS not healing. Understand that as a Healer, you do 1/10th to 1/4 the damage that the dedicated DPS will do, and thus are wasting your MP on anything that's not a DOT.

That's one of the problems though most players are wanting us to be both DPS and Healer. Especially the white mages with their AOE Holy spell.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

You know I'm not going to lie in the very low dungeons (Satasha and those dungeons) ... I use cleric stance most of the time. I've found that when I'm in the cleric stance for it I build up less hate due to the fact that the cure potency is lower. I'd rather do cast the cure for a lower potency then cast 2 cures and BAM! get the aggro. I hate being hit. However, if I need to I will switch out of it asap so I can cast the higher amount cure. I'll also use the Fluid Aura in those dungeons to push away the mob when that happens... Granted, when I do this, I'm far enough away to basically push them right back to the tank.



That's one of the problems though most players are wanting us to be both DPS and Healer. Especially the white mages with their AOE Holy spell.

All I got to say is:

[Rannie]

That's ... after reading it a second time is confusing

[DreamWeaver]

Rannie... I hope you realize that your healer play style fits the description WTFWHM more than the WTFWHM described by the OP.

To all new healers : Please do not ever ever heal in Cleric Stance so that "you'll aggro less".

[Rannie]

Really tell that to all the parties I've been in where no one has died. I don't stay in Cleric stance the WHOLE time and compare the heals with anyone in high level gear even when it is level sync'd down. You might thing it's WTFWHM but Comparing someone who's lvl 50 and in ilvl100+ gear healing in a lvl 17 dungeon and the tank is just a gld. You're doing what you can to help the party as well as run through it quickly enough but not enough NOT to help teach the new tanks and such how to keep hate.

I'm also helping out with the dps.

There's no way in hell I'm going to stay in cleric stance in anything above the three early dungeons that's just plain stupid.

[DreamWeaver]

There is factually no situation where healing in Cleric Stance is helping out, regardless of tank idiocy:

Situation 1 : Tank does not use flash/overpower on multiple mobs.
Explanation : It does not matter if you heal in Cleric Stance or not, the moment you cast a heal, all other mobs will come and eat your face.

Situation 2 : Tank is using Riot Blade combo because its more deeps.
Explanation : I'll wager the dps will pull aggro faster than your healing will >_>, so you're not "helping" the tank by healing in Cleric Stance.

Additional information:
"Really tell that to all the parties I've been in where no one has died" --> Sorry to say this is not an achievement.
"I'm also helping out with the dps." --> This does not explain why you must heal in Cleric Stance.

I understand that you'll switch out of CS to provide bigger heals or something, but the main issue is:
You should not ever ever heal in Cleric Stance on purpose, no matter what the situation is.

[Rannie]

Wasn't saying that was an achievement honey was stating it as a matter of fact.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Hmm, so you prefer to heal for less in cleric's stance, which cuts your healing to like a third than heal outside of cleric's stance for enmity issues.
Fact: Whether you heal 3 times in cleric's stance or once outside of cleric's stance, it generates the same enmity.

So while you're in cleric's stance, you'd have to heal right off the bat. Out of cleric's Stance you can wait till the tank took 1k+ damage before you decide to heal. If you heal for 300 while in cleric's stance, it generates as much enmity as a tank dealing 75 damage auto attack/non-enmity generator* while in their tanking stance. Unless you're a level 50 in a level 18 dungeon, there's no way your cleric's stance healing is justified. "Achievement honey" or not, it's just retarded.

* enmity generators would be Skull Sunder, Savage Blade etc. which provide additional enmity.

Edit: For comparison, an uncleric'd cure for 1300 generates as much enmity as a tomahawk/shield lob dealing 108 damage or 325 damage from fast blade/heavy swing with the same conditions