The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

I'm talking about SECOND coil, not Final coil.

looks like you are talking about both...

OK, so... I saw the stuff about FCoB and was very excited about it...Then I realized I probably won't be able to even see it until the expansion. And maybe not even then.

Why? Because I'm a filthy casual.

Most, if not all of the FCs in my world (Behemoth) only recruit for statics who raid 3x/week or more. I cannot commit myself so many nights, and therefore those are out if the question. Then... there's the PF. Nice addition to the game, huh? well... not so much.

About 95% of the groups appearing on PF are Farm groups, who expect you to know the fight inside out. If you're a noob who didn't even get to clear the fight, you're out. And when, by miracle, someone (or myself) is forming a T6 learning party there, what happens is that the group takes literally *HOURS* to form (my last attempt took almost 3 hours to form the group) between people coming and leaving cuz stuff is taking too long. Then, when we finally get to the boss, some jerkass (almost always one of the tanks) leaves the group spewing things like "you noobs", "fail group" and what-nots. So, we're back on the PF for another half or full hour to find another tank... or giving up after group morale hits rock bottom.

Now the thing is... that's been happening since very little after the launch of patch 2.2!!!! So, if you didn't clear the fights before the first month, you're out of the loop?

So, my question for the community is... Is that it, then? If you can't go into Coil 3 nights or more a week, you're shut out? Nobody understands the meaning of "learning party" anymore, and we're thrown to the side, unable to do the content cuz lack of will? do ALL tanks have it so easily to the point that not a single one is still chasing content? what is happening? Do we have any hope to clear SCoB, or our only choice is to wait for 2.5 and go in there on the DF?

This is a pretty sad reality, if there are no solutions...

[Kyri]

looks like you are talking about both...

Perhaps im reading wrong but it sounds to me like hes stating if he isn't caught up to the new content where we are within a 3 week period of it's bordering impossible to find a learning pt for it. Sadly.. I do see this to be the case many of the times and is a leading reason for my defense to casual play help in this forum.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Who is making unwarranted generalizations? 2 attempts? Seriously!? some made up strawman here! Try weeks after week hours after hours of endless waiting. Put stuff up on the PF and you get less bites that a hook without bait.



Not really, when 95% of the those PFs are multiple clears only, farm T6 , farm T7, etc. I have not even seen people PF T9 farm party yet. Obviously they don't want the "noobs". And when they are done farming, they are not going to bother either. And then you have the 1 T6 learning party that doesn't get filled for 3 hours in a row.

Your missing th point... it's supposed to take time... if u don't have a static you either don't do it or fake the time to get it done... that's really all there is to it

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Perhaps im reading wrong but it sounds to me like hes stating if he isn't caught up to the new content where we are within a 3 week period of it's bordering impossible to find a learning pt for it. Sadly.. I do see this to be the case many of the times and is a leading reason for my defense to casual play help in this forum.

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting until they make it so you can queue alone. a casual player wouldn't mind trying the instance once per week and maybe it taking 1 or more months to complete.

don't get me wrong, i am not trying to say anything bad. but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

[NyarukoW]

.... it's supposed to take time...

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting ...but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

Being behind is not the problem. But waiting on a PF that never fills? You think people are insane or something? People have waited, do wait, and continue to wait and do other content while waiting. But to see that people with experience would rather sell clears for upwards of 60Mil instead of jumping into a learning party to help, or see all these farm parties that says "no noobs wanted", it is only expected that people should come here and protest.

[Kallera]

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting until they make it so you can queue alone. a casual player wouldn't mind trying the instance once per week and maybe it taking 1 or more months to complete.

don't get me wrong, i am not trying to say anything bad. but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

The thing is casual players do mind, and are not content with youtubing it. that is why there have been calls to introduce a coil plot version to enjoy the plot, and the raid/savage version can be for the loot/titles, respectively.

[Dhex]

End game is running away further as you post. If you have not cleared Turn 9 in a week or two don't expect to get into Final Coil of Bahamut for awhile.

Finding a learning environment just becomes more difficult as time progresses - and this community embraces that and reinforces it.

If you're not already at current endgame - you probably never will be.
Want to progress or given an environment to learn in? Get a static.
Want a static? Have gear and experience already!
Want experience? Well I guess wait until it's unlocked.
Can't find people now that it's unlocked? Well wait for a nerf.
Can't get people when it's nerfed? Casual you're not trying hard enough.

You can continue that cycle and keep people out of content - or you can help out. Free Companies that makes sure all their members are getting through the content they want to get through are more rare than you'd expect.

Personally; happy I have friends willing to let someone learn outside of their static groups. It's too bad FFXIV has had such a rigid raiding system for so long - but maybe they'll work on that with the expansion. As a Community - we could be a lot more helpful.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Being behind is not the problem. But waiting on a PF that never fills? You think people are insane or something? People have waited, do wait, and continue to wait and do other content while waiting. But to see that people with experience would rather sell clears for upwards of 60Mil instead of jumping into a learning party to help, or see all these farm parties that says "no noobs wanted", it is only expected that people should come here and protest.

Protest what though... nothing is going to change in the construct of game as we know it, so again you have 2 options. Wait in pf, or don't do it [yet].

For the record, I haven't cleared T6. Do you have an fc?

[Kyri]

I will agree I have a large group of friends who I would label "Very casual" that do fall into the criteria that you've mentioned here and do not take it very seriously, but of those players only a small handful whine about not being able to do things whereas the majority of them shrug it off and don't really care that they play so casually and enjoy time in other games too much to be very serious here. Sadly I think that small handful gives whats considered "casual" players a uncalled for reputation just as a small handful for content firsts players who push to beat content quickly give many nice people who strive to beat things quickly a bad reputation as well. Either way a few bad apples tend to ruin peoples opinions on both sides of the playing field as it were.

However I do feel like a large group of friends and acquaintances I spend time with do not fit in either "Elite status" or "casual" status and do strive to beat content just not as dedicated as some of us. It's these people I feel badly for. They are good players who could easily be farming with us if given one lucky break of a party to join the ranks of "farmable"

I too was one of these after leaving a static and being stuck on t7 longer then I would have liked. I knew the fight so well I could do it in my sleep but was constantly in a position where friends who would have liked to help me and knew I could beat it had once a week locks to a static and I found myself teaching many people tricks to beat the fights but never in a group that could quite make it. Luckily a spot opened up in a friends group and sure enough I made less mistakes in that group then some of their own members due to my dedication to beating the fight.

With that being said it is very frustrating to have a patch come out. Some will decide to be first to beat fights and dedicate to that. Some decide to take advantage of new crafting items and make a large chunk of coin while the going is good. Neither of these is the wrong choice, but your going to a: make less gil as everyone can make the items that sold high or b be stuck with a duty finder that is unforgiving to your choice in not learning a fight as soon as it came out.

All im trying to say is a lot of the people here are putting effort into beating content and will beat it if just given that one break by people like us. That one step will give you someone who will try to repay you where they can and a new friend. It will also give them the strive to continue trying rather then give up and make the world a better place for everyone in the end. Please do not assume that everyone stuck on content does not put forth energy and willpower to beating them. Some people stuck might have tried harder then you did, and just never got that lucky break.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

The thing is casual players do mind, and are not content with youtubing it. that is why there have been calls to introduce a coil plot version to enjoy the plot, and the raid/savage version can be for the loot/titles, respectively.

yeah. i've seen these ideas around. and would LOVE for something like that. i myself am not in the least bit skilled. and will always wait for end-game content to be outclassed and nerfed. but that's what a casual player does... wait and take things nice n slow n easy.


can't get to the final coil because players only want experience for the second coil? then wait till you can queue it alone. sure it's going to take more time. and it will be hard to get in with a decent group. but at that point in time you are in the same boat with just about everyone else in the queue. and if you keep trying it, but can't clear it. eventually you will have the experience you need to put an ad in the Party Finder for other experienced players.

casual players shouldn't care about how much time something takes.