The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Tiggy]

You don't care, not people don't care. People like OP very much does care. Why else this thread here? .

You're right. If more people cared this thread wouldn't exist because it wouldn't even be a problem. However, this thread does exist so enough people don't care and therefore you have people making these threads because there is indeed a problem. It's your assumption that this viewpoint isn't shared and it's a direct fallacy to automatically discount my point because of that. I don't have numbers and neither do you, but it's not even remotely a stretch since it's obvious that enough people don't care to ensure threads like this exist.

More obvious facts. But does it mean people should not care? I won't fault you or anyone because they are limited in time, just like the OP is limited in time, so why fault the OP and say they don't deserve to try SCoB or FCoB? Time is limited for everyone including myself. I can't do everything I'd like to for myself or for my FC or others.

If that's so obvious to you then maybe you need to reflect on your demands of people in your past posts. It doesn't seem like you have any respect for peoples personal time at all. People will only care as far as they can extend themselves and that's not very far with limited time available to them. Time which you agree people are limited by including yourself.

[NyarukoW]

...It doesn't seem like you have any respect for peoples personal time at all. ...

That is also a false assumption you like to make. I very much respect the time of all the players. So I am very much in support of SE latest penalty for the DF for withdraws.

Since there appears to be a bit of confusion, I’d like to explain a little bit about how the Duty Finder penalty system works.

After the participants have been matched together, penalties will be counted in the event you press the “Withdraw” button or fail to press any button at all in the allotted time frame. As long as all of the party members have not been matched together, leaving the queue will not count towards the penalty.

Also, in the event that you queue up to the Duty Finder as a party, if one party member withdraws when matched, it will count as a penalty towards all of the party members. This excludes times when you queue as a complete pre-made party. Withdrawing in these instances will not count towards the penalty.

*When it comes to Crystal Tower, immunity for the withdrawal penalty only takes place when you queue as a full, pre-made 24-person alliance.

Because too many people take others for granted. And that attitude is a problem. And it is that same exploitative attitude that lets the clear sellers take the gil from newer player and newbies that they treat with contempt and disdain.

[Tiggy]

That is also a false assumption you like to make.

It's not an assumption. Based on your attitudes in past posts, other threads, and your expectations of players that makes me say that statement with confidence. Maybe you should think harder about how your argument makes you come across.

That is also a false assumption you like to make. I very much respect the time of all the players. So I am very much in support of SE latest penalty for the DF for withdraws.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were just talking about. You're straw man is denied.

[NyarukoW]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were just talking about. You're straw man is denied.

There is no strawman. I merely pointed to a concrete example demonstrating that I very much value time of all the players. Not just end game raiders. It is an example to refute your claim that I do NOT value the time of other players.

Also you have no idea what is a logical fallacy.

... a direct fallacy to automatically discount ...

When you make a blanket statement like, "people don't care" which proven false by the simple fact of the counter example of the OP's starting post for this thread.

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

BCoB T1-T5 didn't get to that point until after a while. But we don't have people talking about this, but we have people more interested in playing devil's advocate for clear sellers.

[Tiggy]

There is no strawman. I merely pointed to a concrete example demonstrating that I very much value time of all the players. Not just end game raiders.

You posting a quote from a community rep doesn't do that at all.

When you make a blanket statement like, "people don't care" which proven false by the simple fact of the counter example of the OP's starting post for this thread.

It's proven false simply by talking to my FC mumble. Even even 2 people say they don't care then people don't care. People a word that can mean two or more persons. I didn't say half the game or more. Just people. We've had these conversations before in my fc and I can guarantee you by virtue of hearing it with my own ears that more than 4 people have specifically told me they don't care about players not in the guild because they don't have time. You expecting specifics to prove a point that any MMO player intrinsically knows is ridiculous since even in real society people generally don't care about every single person they walk by yet somehow you think that's different in an MMO. An MMO. A place where anonymity is one of the strongest features.

Once again you ignore the meat of the argument to nitpick ridiculous obvious parts. You've got nothing here. Needs more deal with it.

[NyarukoW]

... Even even 2 people say they don't care then people don't care. ...

2 people don't care does not equal all people don't care. When you make a blanket statement that "people don't care" you did not specify it is those select people you talked too. You are misrepresenting your facts. Obviously the fact is enough people do care, hence this thread.

.. You're trying to argue semantics. "Some" people care, ...

And most probably do care. And sematics are crucial especially when there are irresponsible and imprecise statements falsely representing their tiny sample size as if represented everyone.

[Tiggy]

2 people don't care does not equal all people don't care.

I never once said it did mean everyone now did I? In your zest to continue to nit pick you aren't even getting it right and you continue to miss the entire point. Good day to you sir.

[Exstal]

When you make a blanket statement like, "people don't care" which proven false by the simple fact of the counter example of the OP's starting post for this thread.

However if people did care about helping others, then this thread would not exist as OP would have found a team or at least found people to help him/her out. You're trying to argue semantics. "Some" people care, most, probably, do not.

2 people don't care does not equal all people don't care. When you make a blanket statement that "people don't care" you did not specify it is those select people you talked too. You are misrepresenting your facts. Obviously the fact is enough people do care, hence this thread.

The opposite is exactly as true. Those who are ostracized will speak up.