The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

I'm talking about SECOND coil, not Final coil.

looks like you are talking about both...

OK, so... I saw the stuff about FCoB and was very excited about it...Then I realized I probably won't be able to even see it until the expansion. And maybe not even then.

Why? Because I'm a filthy casual.

Most, if not all of the FCs in my world (Behemoth) only recruit for statics who raid 3x/week or more. I cannot commit myself so many nights, and therefore those are out if the question. Then... there's the PF. Nice addition to the game, huh? well... not so much.

About 95% of the groups appearing on PF are Farm groups, who expect you to know the fight inside out. If you're a noob who didn't even get to clear the fight, you're out. And when, by miracle, someone (or myself) is forming a T6 learning party there, what happens is that the group takes literally *HOURS* to form (my last attempt took almost 3 hours to form the group) between people coming and leaving cuz stuff is taking too long. Then, when we finally get to the boss, some jerkass (almost always one of the tanks) leaves the group spewing things like "you noobs", "fail group" and what-nots. So, we're back on the PF for another half or full hour to find another tank... or giving up after group morale hits rock bottom.

Now the thing is... that's been happening since very little after the launch of patch 2.2!!!! So, if you didn't clear the fights before the first month, you're out of the loop?

So, my question for the community is... Is that it, then? If you can't go into Coil 3 nights or more a week, you're shut out? Nobody understands the meaning of "learning party" anymore, and we're thrown to the side, unable to do the content cuz lack of will? do ALL tanks have it so easily to the point that not a single one is still chasing content? what is happening? Do we have any hope to clear SCoB, or our only choice is to wait for 2.5 and go in there on the DF?

This is a pretty sad reality, if there are no solutions...

[Kyri]

looks like you are talking about both...

Perhaps im reading wrong but it sounds to me like hes stating if he isn't caught up to the new content where we are within a 3 week period of it's bordering impossible to find a learning pt for it. Sadly.. I do see this to be the case many of the times and is a leading reason for my defense to casual play help in this forum.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Perhaps im reading wrong but it sounds to me like hes stating if he isn't caught up to the new content where we are within a 3 week period of it's bordering impossible to find a learning pt for it. Sadly.. I do see this to be the case many of the times and is a leading reason for my defense to casual play help in this forum.

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting until they make it so you can queue alone. a casual player wouldn't mind trying the instance once per week and maybe it taking 1 or more months to complete.

don't get me wrong, i am not trying to say anything bad. but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

[NyarukoW]

.... it's supposed to take time...

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting ...but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

Being behind is not the problem. But waiting on a PF that never fills? You think people are insane or something? People have waited, do wait, and continue to wait and do other content while waiting. But to see that people with experience would rather sell clears for upwards of 60Mil instead of jumping into a learning party to help, or see all these farm parties that says "no noobs wanted", it is only expected that people should come here and protest.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Being behind is not the problem. But waiting on a PF that never fills? You think people are insane or something? People have waited, do wait, and continue to wait and do other content while waiting. But to see that people with experience would rather sell clears for upwards of 60Mil instead of jumping into a learning party to help, or see all these farm parties that says "no noobs wanted", it is only expected that people should come here and protest.

Protest what though... nothing is going to change in the construct of game as we know it, so again you have 2 options. Wait in pf, or don't do it [yet].

For the record, I haven't cleared T6. Do you have an fc?

[Mutemutt]

Well, the real problem is that for many people that have already cleared that content and, as such, have no need to run it again, it's just more trouble than it's worth to join groups that likely won't make it ( or it's worth 10's of millions of gil; depends on who you ask). You can't really fault people for trying to enjoy what time they have playing the game. At the end of the day, these "no noobs wanted" farm parties and the OP are after the same thing: a sense of progress. There's just not much incentive to help random people struggling with old content.

[Welsper59]

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting until they make it so you can queue alone. a casual player wouldn't mind trying the instance once per week and maybe it taking 1 or more months to complete.

don't get me wrong, i am not trying to say anything bad. but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

Or in my case, more than a year (still haven't cleared any Coil turns)... but that's because I couldn't care less.

You really shouldn't generalize the casual player base like that though. Just because they're casual, it doesn't mean they don't want to see content at around the same pace if they can. Like in the case of the OP, at least there's effort being made, instead of just crying for nerfs or instant DF gratification. The only thing that he's lacking is the understanding of how endgame raiding can be designed. That being the devs can make things exclusive in the sense that you need to commit to static groups and schedule around that... or they can make it as easily accessible as possible (such as DF). In this case, it's both but with a temporary gate to it.

yeah. i've seen these ideas around. and would LOVE for something like that. i myself am not in the least bit skilled. and will always wait for end-game content to be outclassed and nerfed. but that's what a casual player does... wait and take things nice n slow n easy.


can't get to the final coil because players only want experience for the second coil? then wait till you can queue it alone. sure it's going to take more time. and it will be hard to get in with a decent group. but at that point in time you are in the same boat with just about everyone else in the queue. and if you keep trying it, but can't clear it. eventually you will have the experience you need to put an ad in the Party Finder for other experienced players.

casual players shouldn't care about how much time something takes.

Seems like you understand the latter part of what I said above already