The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Ellatrix]

Made worse by the fact no ones going to help you beat it because they would rather sell you the win for a ridiculous price. I do wish SE would find a way to help fix that or make win selling a suspendable offense

You want people to carry you, and in the same sentence, you insult those same people and say they should be banned. Maybe now you know why I don't want to help you.

Coil isn't intended to be learned in one lockout. If you really can't spend 3hrs x 3days/week then raiding isn't for you, since that's basically the bare minimum. That really isn't much time at all and is sufficient to make progress every week if you spend the time well.

[AmnesiaHaze]

sad but true in FFXIV , either you lucky to have enough good friends , or you have to pay gil to clear content , party finder makes you wait just to experience endless wipes and rage quits after waiting a couple of hours to even start

[Tiggy]

Yes you have it right. They expect you to team up to beat this each week. Once the 6 months are up it's released into the wild for everyone. That's the way the game works. If you can't static you'll have to wait or suffer through pugs. This isn't new.

I think the problem with Coil lies in the fact that it's so integral to the game's story, too much such content, too much lore is buried in it - and when there is a "main scenario" questline, as well as there should be, people who can't do it feel like they're left out and missing important things.

IT's not at all integral to the primary story of the game. It can be completely passed, and if you want to see it that badly the turns will eventually be nerfed and made accessible by all thus allowing you to see the story. It's not that big of a deal to wait for it. If your too impatient to do it the proper way then youtube it for now and view it in game later when it's available. I'm not even raiding this cycle and I think people should just get over it. I will. I'll see the story eventually.

[Daragust]

My FC gave up on the "Static" idea for the very reasons listed in the OP. We have to many people that can't play several times a week. As such, we switched over to doing signups for raids so those who are available on a given night can express interest. We can still raid 3 times a week, we just can't promise it will always be the same makeup. This does slow our progression, but it assures that those like the OP who have 1 - 2 nights a week are still able to learn the content. For those of us who make every raid, it takes a bit more patience, as we are regularly dealing with people learning on content that we already have down, however it is worth it to us.

The worst part about all of this is, while it is doable for someone like the OP to set up their own groups, that takes a lot of time. The whole reason the OP is in this position is because they don't have that kind of time. Those with the time are usually clearing current content each week, but that results in a weekly lockout that removes them from the pool of available bodies for those in the position that the OP is in. Thankfully the devs have now grasped this and will be fixing it in 3.0, but that is 6ish months away and so we will have one more round of people left behind.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I was able to clear Titan and Ifrit Ex through sheer force of will, queueing on DF time and time again until I got a group commited to take the fight to the end. It took literally my entire sunday to do that, I started queueing at like 12 pm and got it down at 1 am.

But I cannot do that with SCoB, since they still have the limitation that you have to enter with a pre-formed party. Really a bummer.

This was my experience with T5. Aaaaaaaaaaallllll day long but got'damn it felt good to finish.

If you are not in a static and you are not interested in taking time to form one (neither of which I wanted to do at the time) then you need to have, as you stated before, a strong will. The force of which will drive you to clear the content. People have the will to form a static and that will take a lot of time as well. Same as trying all day to clear in the DF. Its all about preference but in the end u will be able to clear either way.

[Lord_Zlatan]

sad but true in FFXIV , either you lucky to have enough good friends , or you have to pay gil to clear content , party finder makes you wait just to experience endless wipes and rage quits after waiting a couple of hours to even start

I love how this blanket statement gets thrown around these types of threads all the time. Im calling BS on it. Yes.. here and there you will get people that leave but 9/10 times i put a learning party in the DF, 5/8 people will stick it out till completion. Maybe things are different on Phoenix but I'm pretty sure that most of the time people expect that because dungeons and HM trials are so easy that EXs and coil will only be slightly harder. They aren't. They are much harder.

[AlexionSkylark]

First of all, I want to thank all you guys for the answer and wonderful support. It was nice knowing there are plenty of people out there experiencing the same issues.

Now, to put it straight: Coil and Extreme Primals are the *ONLY* truly challenging endgame content in the game, Extreme primals less than Coil. EVERY other content (4-men dungeons, Crystal Tower) is tuned at a low level of difficulty for people just to blow through it. I play MMOs for 10 years now, having been leading raid groups for 4 or 5 years. Ever since I left my previous game, in which I leaded a group that raided once a week on saturday mornings, I've been excited about doing the same here. Now, I've tried to form a static, I've tried to join and create SEVERAL groups in PF, and the results were always similar to the ones related here.

What I think this game needs is some sort of cross-server grouping implementation. World of Warcraft is anice example of this implementation, where people used that game's feature to friend and invite to group people from other servers to implement communities such as http://openraid.us/ where people form groups, discuss in forums and schedule raids across all players. We are walking to a point where MMOs are breaching that "realm" barrier, as it isolates players from people who they could be playing with.

I really think there might be enough people out there to nicely progress on SCoB, however most of those are stranded from each other, in different servers or timezones, and they don't have the means to meet up.

5/8 people will stick it out till completion.

Just to get some reality into this post, 5/8 people means 5 people sitting around doing nothing in Revenant's toll for hours (literally, if the missing spot is a tank) while waiting for 3 people who may or may not come, and if they come, who may or may not ("not" more likely than "yes") stay for longer than 2 wipes.

[Adrian74]

People won't understand your point of view, original poster.

In my case I'm more or less like you... If you want to know some tips to enjoying the game... Try all classes. I have not done yet leviathan, ramuh, moggle, second coil, final coil, and all that super mega duba supra hyper cool stuff. I ignore it and continue enjoying the game my path...

I only dislike there's content outside Duty Finder... There's no way I'd try to take the bothering of finding people with my reduced time schedules for such a thing.... for that I play free, doing whatever I want and whenever I want, if I can't obtain something mega-hyper pro because it is in a super mega hyper pro dungeon I can't access because It is not in Duty Finder then I just ignore it and continue my way. Things to do I have... In the case all my relics become nexus and I get boring 5.0 will be at the corner so...

[AlexionSkylark]

Can I comment that your forum sig is awesome? hahahahah

[Lord_Zlatan]

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In the past, time was a requirement for MMOs. You couldn't really do anything meaningful in game without it.

In this game, it is amazing what you can get done in an HR. (yesterday I did an S rank, a guildhest, leveled rogue from 1-10, set retainers for ventures, and played the market... but i digress).

The ONE thing that requires time from the player in game is the endgame raid. Either in the preliminary sense of forming a party, or in the execution stage of progressing. I don't really see what SE can do about this considering that once it goes into the DF even, people still complain that its too hard and that they can't clear b/c DF scrubbz. You need to dedicate time to using the DF just the same as u would dedicate time to a forming a static or progressing with a static. Its a time sink, and u have to deal with it.