The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Tiggy]

The first 100 tries it is fun to help out, even strangers,
the next 100 tries it becomes routine and you begin to become unpatient,
new 100 tries and still not getting the "reward" (mirror, mount or whatever), frustration grows inside you,
again 100 tries and you become unpolite and only join win-groups,
last 100 tries to realize that you hate the content and you will never see it again, nor help anyone!

This is definitely the process a lot of people go through. Probably burning out a lot quicker than 100 runs per step though. Once a person has done a fight 100 times their patience is way lower.

Edit: the elites just calling for harder content and are already bored with new coil... you get the picture?

No one here was calling for harder content or complaining about being bored with coil. What point are you making?

[Sonatia]

Sure is depressing to read through 19 pages of this. I dumped WoW almost 4 years ago because of the "leetz" mentality of us-against-them, and this thread shows that ffxiv has the same kind of problem. Is it just human nature or did ex-WoW raiders somehow flood this game post-ARR?

I mean, carelessly making unemphatic assumptions that people are just "terrible players" and "lazy to take the initiative"? Is this the supposedly superior FF community I've been hearing about?

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'm just surprised at the mentality of players in what's supposed to be a new generation, AAA MMORPG. If some of you are representative of most of the veteran players and their attitude, I can't imagine why newbies would want to play beyond the free 30-day.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Sure is depressing to read through 19 pages of this. I dumped WoW almost 4 years ago because of the "leetz" mentality of us-against-them, and this thread shows that ffxiv has the same kind of problem. Is it just human nature or did ex-WoW raiders somehow flood this game post-ARR?

I mean, carelessly making unemphatic assumptions that people are just "terrible players" and "lazy to take the initiative"? Is this the supposedly superior FF community I've been hearing about?

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'm just surprised at the mentality of players in what's supposed to be a new generation, AAA MMORPG. If some of you are representative of most of the veteran players and their attitude, I can't imagine why newbies would want to play beyond the free 30-day.

So wait, saying things like "do your part instead of waiting to be carried" is now "leetz"?

Ok, I'm "leetz" then. Fine by me.

[Sonatia]

So wait, saying things like "do your part instead of waiting to be carried" is now "leetz"?

Ok, I'm "leetz" then. Fine by me.

My post wasn't necessarily a jab at you, but that's your call. I simply called out the kind of attitude I faced years ago in a cartoony MMO that hasn't aged well, and that I'm surprised the same issues are in a brand new, highly polished game like ffxiv.

You assume that, on the other hand I assume that most people try their best to carry their weight in any group content. Having played healer classes almost exclusively in my MMO history, I know what putting in effort means, rest assured.

I just think that the OP and those who agree with them might just have a problem that could be worked on by SE, rather than veteran players trying to obfuscate their feedback with insults, cynicism, lack of empathy and assumptions because the latter think such feedback is not valid in their eyes.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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I am merely proposing a solution, which has worked quite well for me and other people I know, in multiple occasions and in multiple games. It's always the same story. Some people are willing to take matters into their hands, creating and managing communities - others just want things served on a platter. It's human nature, sadly.

The OP states that most FCs require 3 nights a week - well, I'm not on his server but I am part of a FC and a static that only raids 2 times a week, and we are on T10. Most of us have family and jobs. We are no "hardcore" by any stretch of imagination.

How could this happen? Because someone decided to put a bit of effort into it, decided to search and manage people with similar views of the game and similar mindset. Everyone can do that, it just requires initiative.

But yeah, lots of people keep hoping to clear Coil easily using PF or DF, only to go whine (yes, this is whining) on the forums, refusing to see that there ARE other solutions to this "problem" just because they are too troublesome for them, so it's best to ignore them and hoping that screaming enough will convince SE to barge in and help.

Call me however you want - cynical, lacking empathy or whatever - seems to me I am not the one insulting, here :/

[Aana]

There is more endgame than PF. You guys realize a great many people managed to create statics, join groups and clear content before PF existed right? Just because you opened a menu, type in a sentence and hit enter, and proceed to stare at your screen for 3 hours doesn't mean you are 'trying'. That is passively waiting for things to happen. Party finder and duty finder are passive methods to accomplish goals. You are simply waiting for people to join or letting a computer server build you a group. You are fishing. Line in the water hoping for a bite. You have to be more active if you want to make progress faster. Stop depending on df and PF to create a magical winning team. The successful people aren't waiting on the shore with a line hanging out praying for a bite. They are actively searching not passively waiting.

Party and duty finder are tools to use, not solutions in themselves.

[Ellatrix]

Of course you ignore my entire post and jump on a tangent. Don't want to try (and fail) to counter the real point now would you?

[NyarukoW]

Of course you ignore my entire post and jump on a tangent. Don't want to try (and fail) to counter the real point now would you?

...Stay in your bubble, ...

I am just staying in my happy bubble. LOL.

In any case you have no point. You have an anecdote at best, one instance in time on one server that the clear seller is not advertising on your PF, because they are actually in instance doing their actual sale maybe? That is not a point. Perhaps you might not even be scrolling down far enough, who know, you may just choose to be blind to it because you like your bubble much better.

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Yes, I said that it's "easy" finding an FC / static. FINDING is the key word here. CREATING and MANAGING one, on the other hand, is hard.
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finding them becomes hard as well - but it's just a byproduct. In itself, finding a group should not be hard.

Well aren't we real weaselly with words here. "Should not be hard" but "it becomes hard". Finding, creating, and managing are all hard, they are all intertwined, you can not decouple them. Regardless of your intent, you shown you want to be dismissive of the OP's position. If you don't want to empathize with the OP, you do NOT have to, but you get to don't pretend the problem does NOT exist nor you get to pretend that it is easy to solve.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

don't pretend the problem does NOT exist nor you get to pretend that it is easy to solve.

I never said it's easy to solve. I said it's hard, since it requires people to actually man up and take things into their hands instead of waiting to be spoonfed.

Hard, but doable. Do it. Like all raiding statics and FCs did before you. ("you" as a general term. Not "you" specifically, as I do not know your specific situation).

[NyarukoW]

...actually man up and take things into their hands instead of waiting to be spoonfed.

"Man up"? Really misogynist term there now, as if there are no female players.

"Spoonfed"? The OP is not asking to be spoonfed nor are the majority of the players. Don't make these groundless false accusation.

...Hard, but doable. ...

Yep hard to find a static, hard to create a static, hard to build a static, and hard to manage/maintain a static. And only doable to the extent that people want to work together. So that is why I will always advocate that players be more inclusive and look to work together and help everyone. And if some them are expressing their frustration and the difficulty they are having, cut them some slack and give the benefit of the doubt that they are doing all they know or all they can to progress and that they are not asking to be "spoonfed". Empathize with them and not be dismissive of them.