Again, Relic Nexus will have barely no use...

[RiceisNice]

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My french is only limited to culinary terms...something with feeding truffles to pigs (which dig for truffles). What I suggested is trying to find the best of both worlds; people want their gear to be the best by experiencing raid content, some people (me included) don't believe that you should get gear without experiencing all of the content.

The way it was before, Nexus could be done without ever stepping into coil. The fact that coil itself is so exclusive with the heavy emphasis on mechanics and lock outs, it really doesn't help the average player. Though Nexus being BiS at that point wasn't worth a damn considering HA was there for months before Nexus came by; at that point I didn't really care that it was the best gear in the game (especially when the difference was 5-7 secondary stats)

I think it's worth pointing out that you would need an item you can only get from Final Coil to get the Poe weapons ATM. so you can;t "just buy" them from a vendor

And this is why I'm not that concerned with nexus being outdated. But introducing CT3 and allowing it to drop those tomes would only compound onto that. By that time, we'd have a repeat of Novus; you can't realistically justify the timesink to get up to nexus then do the next step other than for glamour. Though this all falls into SE not being able to find a middle ground for any of this.

[silentwindfr]

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the trouble is FF14 is not resumed to coil! actually Coil is only a sub quest, is not even important to the main story, it will not affect it. it's a challenge for the people wanting to have big group challenge. don't get me wrong i can understand this and respect this. if it's done for face hard challenge... but most of the raider (and i know i will have a lot of enemy) do it only for get shinies! if they don't have shinies they don't have any interest to do this.
if them shinies are not the best that can allows them to feel more important than people that do don't it... it don't worth them time. it's only a bragging rights, but a very bad one. i regret the time where get into the raid was more about beat it and face hard challenge.
the bragging rights was to get the skin that can only be obtain there. the trouble, is now the raider, want too to have the best gears reserved to them... it did result to a reduction to all the other content of the game. worst i was shocked by yoshida saying that create hard content can't be done for 4 player... really? i'm sorry content can be hard if they take the time to offer challenge that really test the capacity of the player. (an i'm talking of all the capacity not only repeat a pattern)

anyway, what i try to say and i don't think it was your goal, but i feel it's a bit arrogant your way to say it. for you only people that do "hard" content can deserve to be rewarded... do that means that your gaming time is more important and deserve more than the one that will spend weeks and months to upgrade him relic? do that means that him dedication don't deserve the same reward than you that dedicate your time to face coil? and why? because he don't do 8 people dungeon?

at least, let's agree that we disagree on this. because for me any form of effort and dedication must receive a reward at the level of this one... and soo far the nexus (i'm talking of the whole relic from the start to nexus) ask far more dedication and effort than what we get as reward. for me the relic deserve and must be the best weapon of the game, the work needed for get it is tedious and long enough for deserve this. however, i admit, that give this tooo early will only harm the game. i think that the relic must become more powerfull only 3 month after the release of the news tiers.

for make it more clear, what i means is nexus must had been to i120 when release and only get the i140 upgrade 3 month after the 2.4.

ps: truffles are luxury and normally you don't feed a pig with it... it means that it too good for them.

pss: i want to ask you something, do you think a news player will try to make the relic? i know the answer, most of them will not, all my friend that did start the game recently have simply abandonned really fast when they did learn all the step and how long it will take them when compared to the i110 gerolt weapon that they can get extremely fast...

[RiceisNice]

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And I'd disagree that coil is pretty damn important to the story line, especially since it ties up the bridge between 1.0 and 2.0.
And I've never heard of people feeding truffles to pigs, only using them to sniff out and dig more. Blah... they're too expensive over here.

But yeah... I honestly feel that you should at least do everything that's available in the game to get the ultimate lewt. If relic is going to be the best weapon in the game, then it should at least require you to step into the highest tier of PvE (which means Coil.) I don't want it to be possible for people to get BiS equipment without ever having to step foot in the current content.

In the end though, the relic quest line just lacks any reason to do it other than to be a time sink. The model of the weapon is ok. The storyline/lore sucks, and it doesn't offer any aesthetic bonuses other than a glow. Nerfing the atma step was a step in the right direction, at least we can call it something that can be progressed on your own time gradually. Really I feel the problem is less about the relic weapon itself and more on the progression of gear with each patch.

These are relics... not epics.... because they aren't epic. They are throwaway glowy garbage for people to run around with jumping and showing people.

The damned Scholar person keeps on insisting otherwise...though he also insists my weapon has newfound power when I handed over the 12 Atmas, so I think he's delusional or somethin... Especially with all the praise Gerlot gets as a Master Blacksmith...yet his apprentice (whom he hardly trains mind you) can augment your equipment to be stronger than current relic. Really that's my gripe with calling this a quest line for a weapon of the olde.

[silentwindfr]

And I'd disagree that coil is pretty damn important to the story line, especially since it ties up the bridge between 1.0 and 2.0.
And I've never heard of people feeding truffles to pigs, only using them to sniff out and dig more. Blah... they're too expensive over here.

you miss my point, what i'm saying it's not everything must be tie to coil! not everything must be resumed by coil! actually the main flaws of FF14 it's the way the end game is create. we do have only one end game content...Raid. mmorpg are not a Massively Multiplayer Online Raiding Playing Game. it's more than this, you must get content outside raid that are difficult and that will satisfy different type of player looking for hard content. (not this trouble is born with WoW model)

don't forget that some people simply don't like raid (especially because FF14 raiding is not real raiding but more rope jumping and the community make it hard for new player to simply join the veteran, but that another debat), and still play this game, do that means they don't deserve a reward for them dedication to complete the relic upgrade? do that means only your play style is the one everybody must follow? no, not everything must be tie to raiding when it come to end game.

you like raiding, is your right, but i feel it's insulting, and i don't think it was your goal, to say only raid is hard content and only this must be rewarding.

Again, people fail to realize THAT THE RELIC WILL STILL BE UPGRADABLE PAST NEXUS!!!

Gawd, the whining, seriously, stop it. Welcome to MMORPGs, where nothing you want to happen will happen and there will always be something better than what you have to work toward in a new patch/expansion/etc. Get over yourself and get on with it.

exept that never any upgrade will be the best and often we will get an upgrade that get at the same level than raiding... 1 month before they add a new tier that make this relic be less good. because weapon from the last Turn is i135 when relic is i115. indeed not everybody will get a i135 weapon in the new 3 month, but it's yoshida himself that did say that relic will never pass the raid ilevel... when it did become clearly more tedious than any other content for get the last step, with more step coming it will become extremely hard to see new player really invest time, energy and gils into this.

i'm scared to imagine when we will be able to make an i135 relic weapon, when we will look at the whole process i'm sure it will be insanely big...