Again, Relic Nexus will have barely no use...

[Zarzak]

oh noes. Raid loot is better than solo content for a short time. WHAT EVER SHALL WE DO!

[RiceisNice]

t..

My french is only limited to culinary terms...something with feeding truffles to pigs (which dig for truffles). What I suggested is trying to find the best of both worlds; people want their gear to be the best by experiencing raid content, some people (me included) don't believe that you should get gear without experiencing all of the content.

The way it was before, Nexus could be done without ever stepping into coil. The fact that coil itself is so exclusive with the heavy emphasis on mechanics and lock outs, it really doesn't help the average player. Though Nexus being BiS at that point wasn't worth a damn considering HA was there for months before Nexus came by; at that point I didn't really care that it was the best gear in the game (especially when the difference was 5-7 secondary stats)

I think it's worth pointing out that you would need an item you can only get from Final Coil to get the Poe weapons ATM. so you can;t "just buy" them from a vendor

And this is why I'm not that concerned with nexus being outdated. But introducing CT3 and allowing it to drop those tomes would only compound onto that. By that time, we'd have a repeat of Novus; you can't realistically justify the timesink to get up to nexus then do the next step other than for glamour. Though this all falls into SE not being able to find a middle ground for any of this.

[Edli]

They should have added the step to reach at least an ilvl of 120/125. That way Final Coil weapons would still be slightly better for a while

Final coil was just released. Next endgame dungeon will theoretically be released after 6 months. If Relic were to go 125 from the first day wth is SE going to do with it for the next 6 months? Nothing?

Relic will get several steps during these months. 120,125,130. It is going to be exactly how it was before yet people still act surprised for some reason.

[KrenianKandos]

So..if you're not running Coil...you wanna tell me just what you are planning on doing with an ILVL 115+ weapon..?

It surely isn't to beat the current content as I'm doing it just fine with my ILVL 110 Novus Curtana.

Seriously. What does it matter if raid has a ILVL 130 weapon. You can do everything in the game non Coil without it. Hell, you can do SCoB if you so choose to unlock FCoB to get the weapon.

Man, people are seriously self-entitled lately...

And before anyone decides to say anything, look at my achievements and you will clearly see I haven't even beaten First Coil. My care factor of later raids getting a better ILVL weapon that has stronger stats and damage is zero.

Seriously folks. Grow up. Stop feeling like you should be entitled to everything. You're not.

[Ecks007]

Final coil was just released. Next endgame dungeon will theoretically be released after 6 months. If Relic were to go 125 from the first day wth is SE going to do with it for the next 6 months? Nothing?

Relic will get several steps during these months. 120,125,130. It is going to be exactly how it was before yet people still act surprised for some reason.

Uh, okay. When the game launched we had i90 relics available to obtain, 1st Coil was there as well with i95 weapons (or where they i90 at first? I can't remember).

I know it will get further steps to raise it's ilevel, but they should have added a step up from 115 with 2.4 is all I'm saying. I hope the next step comes sooner than 6 months from now, considering that is roughly when we are looking at 3.0.

[silentwindfr]

snips

the trouble is FF14 is not resumed to coil! actually Coil is only a sub quest, is not even important to the main story, it will not affect it. it's a challenge for the people wanting to have big group challenge. don't get me wrong i can understand this and respect this. if it's done for face hard challenge... but most of the raider (and i know i will have a lot of enemy) do it only for get shinies! if they don't have shinies they don't have any interest to do this.
if them shinies are not the best that can allows them to feel more important than people that do don't it... it don't worth them time. it's only a bragging rights, but a very bad one. i regret the time where get into the raid was more about beat it and face hard challenge.
the bragging rights was to get the skin that can only be obtain there. the trouble, is now the raider, want too to have the best gears reserved to them... it did result to a reduction to all the other content of the game. worst i was shocked by yoshida saying that create hard content can't be done for 4 player... really? i'm sorry content can be hard if they take the time to offer challenge that really test the capacity of the player. (an i'm talking of all the capacity not only repeat a pattern)

anyway, what i try to say and i don't think it was your goal, but i feel it's a bit arrogant your way to say it. for you only people that do "hard" content can deserve to be rewarded... do that means that your gaming time is more important and deserve more than the one that will spend weeks and months to upgrade him relic? do that means that him dedication don't deserve the same reward than you that dedicate your time to face coil? and why? because he don't do 8 people dungeon?

at least, let's agree that we disagree on this. because for me any form of effort and dedication must receive a reward at the level of this one... and soo far the nexus (i'm talking of the whole relic from the start to nexus) ask far more dedication and effort than what we get as reward. for me the relic deserve and must be the best weapon of the game, the work needed for get it is tedious and long enough for deserve this. however, i admit, that give this tooo early will only harm the game. i think that the relic must become more powerfull only 3 month after the release of the news tiers.

for make it more clear, what i means is nexus must had been to i120 when release and only get the i140 upgrade 3 month after the 2.4.

ps: truffles are luxury and normally you don't feed a pig with it... it means that it too good for them.

pss: i want to ask you something, do you think a news player will try to make the relic? i know the answer, most of them will not, all my friend that did start the game recently have simply abandonned really fast when they did learn all the step and how long it will take them when compared to the i110 gerolt weapon that they can get extremely fast...

[CGMidlander]

oh noes. Raid loot is better than solo content for a short time. WHAT EVER SHALL WE DO!

ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

[CrystalRainbow]

Yes but for all the people who doesn't have access to FCoB and can't get these items because they can't get the drop. Relic has been turned into a, I can get it done in my own time and it will be a damn good weapon but the BEST in slot.

I really enjoy getting the relic, It gives me something to do vs spam Turns

[Edli]

Uh, okay. When the game launched we had i90 relics available to obtain

Yeah that changed with second coil. It was pretty obvious what Relic was going to be since several months ago. Acting surprised now fools no one. In case is still not obvious to you after all the atma, books, alexandrites, is the catch up weapon, the slow and time consuming one.

Relic upgrade steps will try to match the rate of playerbase progression on tome and allagan weapons. Getting a poetic weapon, the "just go to the vendor" weapon you have to clear t11 and get lucky on roll, that's no small feat.

[CGMidlander]

Yes but for all the people who doesn't have access to FCoB and can't get these items because they can't get the drop. Relic has been turned into a, I can get it done in my own time and it will be a damn good weapon but the BEST in slot.

I really enjoy getting the relic, It gives me something to do vs spam Turns

I enjoyed progressing my relic too.
Except finding Atma.
And FATE camping.
And queueing for book dungeons. (DPS queues suck)
And gathering resources for Alexandrite.
And obtaining expensive materia.
And I'm a tad late to the light farm party, so the current light bonus listings are not updated as well as they could be anymore.

^^"