Again, Relic Nexus will have barely no use...

[RiceisNice]

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It shouldn't be the best if it doesn't require you to tackle the highest tier of content (Coil). Though on the same end, it shouldn't be blown out of the water by handing in a piece of rock (which may or may not have any value, according to Garlond Ironworks) to a couple of schmucks...which seriously irks me with all the lore background behind the relic weapons.


Either that, or add some aesthetic value to it that justifies more than just glamour...why cant my bard use The Artemis Bow as a frigging harp (as told by Gerlot himself, the bow was used as a instrument and a weapon by Gilbert, the first of the Godsbow), but instead I sheathe it then take out a generic wooden harp? Even my washed up Bard NPC uses his bow as a harp!

...but getting back on track, they could have coil be an objective to finish a relic step and make it BiS...something like (and stay with me here, WoW's done this before to some extent) getting x20 Unobtainium from second coil bosses (which are RNG quest drops, but I'm not sure if SE's quest mechanics even allow this), then defeat Nael Deusn Darnus as the final step (which would've been Nexus, using it as an example anyway).

In all fairness - relic caps at 115 now with nexus and is better than your typical item level 115 (similar to novus being better than the soldiery 110 weapon). In 2.4, the only way you're going to get a weapon that is better than 110 over the next three months is by being able to clear T10 (correct me if I'm wrong). So people with nexus are going to have a better weapon than anyone who can't beat T10 (which will likely be 90-95% of the player population).

If we're gonna talk semantics, then sure, that'd apply for some classes. But for ones who already have arguably optimized stats on their unweathered weapon (such as BLM with SS and acc) really aren't getting much from their novus, while other classes like BRD (I'm struggling to be accuracy capped with an unweathered rosenburger), I welcome my novus for accuracy melds. In HA comparison, my bow would hardly be *that* much better than the HA one since its meeting my accuracy requirements and boosting a nice det... at least not that much better I'd justify the time sink from Atma alone (which is now debatable, but hey I finished my atma pre-2.4).

I'm probably not gonna get my ironworks weapon because the stats on it are pretty bad, at least not as my first piece; I'd fall far too low below accuracy cap to justify the extra dex and weapon damage.

[RyujinUzikin]

You should have better stats on what you work the hardest to get.

Its up to you to determine which one is more time consuming.

[Alavastre]

Well thanks for trying, sadly i had T8 shield and T9 weapon before the nexus deal. I guess i am one of those (5%) sucker that wasted his time with it.

At least... now i know they evil plan, and i am not going to fall into it a second time. Ill beat the new coil and just stop my subscription till next patch as everyone seem to do in my FC. They having good laugh at me atm. (and if i was them, i would laugh loud too)

What? You do realize that it doesn't matter what weapon you have, when new content comes out, there will be a better one. On top of that, they'll just make a new relic quest and make it more powerful. I feel as if I've walked into an Apple Juice Factory, and you're complaining that the apples are being crushed.

What is the point of a game if there's nothing to strive to get? Why does it matter if the color is blue or not? What the name is?

[RiceisNice]

What? You do realize that it doesn't matter what weapon you have, when new content comes out, there will be a better one. On top of that, they'll just make a new relic quest and make it more powerful. I feel as if I've walked into an Apple Juice Factory, and you're complaining that the apples are being crushed.

What is the point of a game if there's nothing to strive to get? Why does it matter if the color is blue or not? What the name is?

Relic itself is gated by steps which can end up being tedious (espesically atma for the longest time), while at the same time other (more accessible options no less, such as UAT) are available. The end result ends up not justifying the time sink for some people, either aesthetically (to me) or statistically (it's not BiS).

Yes it's not going to be BiS forever, but that doesn't mean the next upgrade which can be obtained trivially (which is probably going to be the case when we get CT3) should blow it out of the water due to extreme vertical progression.

Your last statement is also the reason why I dislike people using the whole "Relic can be upgraded, drops can't" thing to justify it's long grind...because in the end you're upgrading the weapon slot. You'd be replacing that HA weapon with the ironworks, Novus with Nexus, etc etc.

[ApolloGenX]

Everything in the game is throwaway. You know this... so before putting effort into anything, decide if it is worth it, knowing it will be throwaway.

The design is extreme vertical progression and mudflation, so anything you get will be obsolete in the next patch or very soon. That's the way an extremely one dimensional design works.

[Ecks007]

I think everything with 2.4 was awesome, except that they didn't add another relic upgrade or two.

They should have added the step to reach at least an ilvl of 120/125. That way Final Coil weapons would still be slightly better for a while, and yet relics would be the same or better ilvl than weapons that can be purchased from the vendor in Rev. Toll.

This is the only thing that disappointed me with 2.4. I put all that work into get my Nexus and now there are better weapons you can just buy from a vendor. Gee thanks guys.

[saber_alter]

percentage of the player base that can reach turn 11: very small.

nexus has a great use. rather, said top percentage of the playerbase are clearing turns 10-13 with only nexus and high allagan weapons.

they have a use. and they will in the future as well.

[silentwindfr]

It shouldn't be the best if it doesn't require you to tackle the highest tier of content (Coil)...

that the point where we disagree, the raid must be one of the content of the game, not the only one best content. other point, the game must reward you for the time spend for get something. when we compare the time needed for get the relic nexus today, sorry, but is not fair that this weapon was not better than the one from BC 2 when it did come out. i don't say that it must be the best at the start of the tier, but at mid time of the tier, it must be the best weapon of the game.

and i want to ask, do you do raid because it give the best stuff or because you want to challenge hard content? because if the only reason the raider do raid is for get the best shinies around... like we say in france: "c'est comme donner des truffes a un cochon." i let you find what it means.

[Morningstar1337]

This is the only thing that disappointed me with 2.4. I put all that work into get my Nexus and now there are better weapons you can just buy from a vendor. Gee thanks guys.

I think it's worth pointing out that you would need an item you can only get from Final Coil to get the Poe weapons ATM. so you can;t "just buy" them from a vendor

[Myzstikc]

thyrus nexus if infused correctly is better than the Ironworks Magitek Cane. Id take the +10 pie and +32 det over the +1 wep dmg and +3 mind with tons of crit any day. pie comes a long way in FCoB. plus the fact i can use my 3 weeks of poetics to gain my bis items instead. also, healers are last on getting left side carbons and not to mention VERY last with getting our tome....