Can we end this?

[Chocobits]

the real problem in ffxiv is the ffxi player, SE made ffxiv for the mases not for ffxi fans that are little, they wanna ffxiv for wow killer.

If the problem really is FFXI players, FFXI players would be the only ones avoiding XIV like the plague.

Ohh ok! That's why they used Mithra Galka Elvaan Hume and Tarutaru races! So that the game would be specifically repulsive to FFXI players!

[Celtodeno]

I think everyone can rest assure that sometime soon SE will bring out a FFXI clone. It's not going to be this game but THEY KNOW it'll make them money. It might be their new secret MMO i've been hearing about.

[RabidSquirrel]

This game needs to be FFXI so it wont be bad

You know what's funny about your signature? The director of that show (1996-1998), Craig McCraken, is married to Lauren Faust, who is currently the director of the latest My Little Pony series. And the both worked on cartoons such as The Powerpuff Girls and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.

On topic...I imagine you'll see more influence from MMOs like WoW than FFXI in the future, but without losing the FFXIV flavor. Basic concepts and ideas are not what makes the game. It's their implementation and execution which defines the game.

[GhostInfinity]

I think im gonna throw up if i see another "PLZ CLONE FFXI" thread. You would think that after being ignored for so many months pple would get it but they don't.

So let me put it this way. FFXI is made by SE, it is owned by SE and since the game is currently online and SE has no intention of shutting it down, well it is also generation income for SE.

So with FFXIV being aimed at being the next WOW(targets the masses, casuals and hardcore alike) why would anyone in their right state of mind want to turn FFXIV into a FFXI clone? Not only would it kill FFXI but it would go against FFXIV's goals and turn it into a niche and SE can only hope to get 250k players if they're lucky.

FFXI is available to play so stop asking the devs to turn this into FFXI-2 just because ur too cheap to pay a monthly fee.

I don't think anyone wants a FFXI clone but they certainly didn't expect FFXIV to be a step back from XI either. Implementing features which go with the final fantasy lore (airships, home points, materia, chocobos) doesn't turn XIV into a clone but more accurately into a final fantasy game.

Also, you need to let go of the WoW killer mentality, it's a totally different fan base.

[Corrderio]

Threads like this are why we can't have nice things.

[Tigercub]

It's hard to take you seriously when you imply FFXI, a highly successful MMO with solid subscription numbers, was niche.
Maybe compared to WoW. Speaking of which, this game will never be the next WoW. It missed that boat a long time ago, and to be honest, I doubt the FF name even has what it takes to draw in the kind of subs that WoW has. WoW is an accident; it achieved some kind of critical mass, it sparked an unexpected social phenomenon and there's no way to replicate that. It is the facebook of MMOs.

It's time to come down to reality. A lot of the creative ideas in FFXIV failed and now have to be replaced with ideas which we know work just to make people reconsider playing. FFXI is a good example of what works and what doesn't and is closer to FFXIV mechanically than other MMOs like WoW and LotRO. This doesn't mean FFXI-2, it just means fixing the stuff that sucks by using working ideas from FFXI (which usually aren't even exclusively FFXI's ideas), not replacing the heart of the game.

I browse these forums fairly regularly and haven't seen any threads about turning this game into FFXI-2.

[Onidemon]

It's hard to take you seriously when you imply FFXI, a highly successful MMO with solid subscription numbers, was niche.
Maybe compared to WoW. Speaking of which, this game will never be the next WoW. It missed that boat a long time ago, and to be honest, I doubt the FF name even has what it takes to draw in the kind of subs that WoW has. WoW is an accident; it achieved some kind of critical mass, it sparked an unexpected social phenomenon and there's no way to replicate that. It is the facebook of MMOs.

It's time to come down to reality. A lot of the creative ideas in FFXIV failed and now have to be replaced with ideas which we know work just to make people reconsider playing. FFXI is a good example of what works and what doesn't and is closer to FFXIV mechanically than other MMOs like WoW and LotRO. This doesn't mean FFXI-2, it just means fixing the stuff that sucks by using working ideas from FFXI (which usually aren't even exclusively FFXI's ideas), not replacing the heart of the game.

It is harder to take you seriously when you didn't know FFXI was and is a niche market. It managed to get 5mil players at it's best but that was when it started out and there was barely any competition and it was the only mmo to come out for the very succesful PS2. Once WOW and other mmos came out that number went down very quickly and FFXI never got more then 500k players. It was succesful during it's time only because it didn't have much competition and now it is a game that appeals to very few hardcore gamers which is what a niche is.

[Tigercub]

It is harder to take you seriously when you didn't know FFXI was and is a niche market. It managed to get 5mil players at it's best but that was when it started out and there was barely any competition and it was the only mmo to come out for the very succesful PS2. Once WOW and other mmos came out that number went down very quickly and FFXI never got more then 500k players. It was succesful during it's time only because it didn't have much competition and now it is a game that appeals to very few hardcore gamers which is what a niche is.

500k players is very, very good for an MMO (and actually FFXI broke a million at its peak). You seem to be basing your value of success on WoW. You're right that it is less appealing now, but that's to be expected because it's old and has newer competition. That doesn't mean that the core mechanics of the game are bad or that the game is niche. It's just getting to the end of its expiration date, as everything does.

I highly doubt FFXIV will ever be as successful.

[Onidemon]

500k players is very, very good for an MMO (and actually FFXI broke a million at its peak). You seem to be basing your value of success on WoW. You're right that it is less appealing now, but that's to be expected because it's old and has newer competition. That doesn't mean that the core mechanics of the game are bad or that the game is niche. It's just getting to the end of its expiration date, as everything does.

I remember seeing a gaming magazine back then who claimed FFXI had reached a 5 million players base. But the issue here is that FFXI does not appeal at all to casuals which are the biggest part of the market. As for the hardcore it is something like 30-40%. The game is focused on you spending 1h looking for a party and then grinding 1 type of monster for maybe days to get 5-10 levels. then move to a new area and repeat. The type of gameplay appeals to very few players.

[Jennestia]

I remember seeing a gaming magazine back then who claimed FFXI had reached a 5 million players base. But the issue here is that FFXI does not appeal at all to casuals which are the biggest part of the market.

A lot of the shooters out currently aren't for the casual friendly playerbase -- Halo was largely considered the casual shooter, but games like CoD and Battlefield have multiple million player base (let's not forget CSS) so no the biggest market is both casual and hardcore a like.

XI had 2 million + characters but only ever reached around 1.1 million subscription base. You never spent "days" grinding 1 type of monster to gain 5-10 levels, even back in 2003-2006, you spent hours max unless your party was performing badly. It only ever slowed down in the 50s which was nearing end-game. You spread a lot of misinformation to try to paint XI in a worse light.