Be Wiser! DF commence withdraw penalty affects your party.

[MageBlack]

I think all this means is people need to communicate better. Dont just inv people and insta queue, check with everyone else first. Its a new system, once people get used to it and understand the consequences it will be easier to see whos being an asshat and who was actually unaware. I do think the party wide effect is wrong, it should be for the one who clicked withdraw but if this is what it is, we need to be more careful is all. Thank you for the heads up and sorry about your luck in finding out the hard way.

[Krr]

The system is obviously not working as designed when it can be potentially exploited to troll others and penalizes individual players for factors outside of their control.

It is still better than not having a withdraw penalty.

[MageBlack]

The system is obviously not working as designed when it can be potentially exploited to troll others and penalizes individual players for factors outside of their control.

It is still better than not having a withdraw penalty.

I had a thought, be very cautious of PF. I could see this being abused there. Its different if its a FC built party vs a random PF group.

[BobbinT]

That case number 3 I posted are just for precautions, in case any of you haven't experience it yet or never thought of it. Hopefully it's just a rare case though.

[Seraphyna]

Yes, you still get the penalty for pre-made parties.

Yes, you get the penalty if someone else has already left the party (abandoned the duty) and you leave after.

The only way to not get the penalty is to have the duty vote abandoned. That's it.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

The system is obviously not working as designed when it can be potentially exploited to troll others and penalizes individual players for factors outside of their control.

It is still better than not having a withdraw penalty.

I would rather have a system that doesn't punish wrong doers than to have one that punishes indiscriminately and could potentially hurt more innocents than trolls. Honestly, Withdraw spam wasn't THAT big of a deal to begin with and only the Alliance dungeons suffered enough from it to make a difference. Now, the best way to do end-game content (Party Finder) is in danger because of the new system that has been implemented. Imagine 7 players being locked out from doing any instanced content for 30 min just because the healer that they found through Party Finder was spamming withdraw. Heck, if you got more than one person through PF then there's no way to know who exactly was withdrawing from the dungeon, preventing the party from using /blist.

Yes, you still get the penalty for pre-made parties.

Yes, you get the penalty if someone else has already left the party (abandoned the duty) and you leave after.

The only way to not get the penalty is to have the duty vote abandoned. That's it.

This is dumb, not only because it can potentially be abused, but because there should be no reason why you get a penalty because your group is incomplete.

[BreathlessTao]

Oh noes people need to be less ignorant of each other! Gonna affect the game so badly! How dare they??

...really though, that's all it comes down to. And personally, I say that, based on past experiences, there's too great a group of players who can use a big dosage of "don't be an a××hat", so this is perfectly fine. Registering for duties without asking if everyone's ready = same people who would charge in to attack in ST without/ignoring ready checks or "please wait" messages, or those who'd early pull a hunt mark when people or some friends are still clearly just on their way. Yes, they do need a biff on the conk. Fishing for in-progress and throwing a tantrum and repeatedly withdrawing when it's not what they get? They especially need to be smacked hard until they learn. So no, I don't think this system is bad at all. Yes, there might be occasions when a withdraw-after-commence is justified, but then that's why it doesn't penalise after doing it just once.

On a sidenote, that 30 minutes is just something (in many cases even less) any and all DPS have been putting up with since like day 1. Not the end of the world. Ninja-invites are bad with or without such a system in place, should be reported or dealt with via - communication. As for cutscenes, if you're really hard-pressed to commence, you can skip almost all of them by pressing Esc. (Again something that's very much double-standard, getting "watch a guide" so many times in so many places, but gods forbid one dares to watch an actual in-game cutscene, well "you can watch it in the inn". Not directed at OP personally either, just speaking in general.)

[Chiramu]

Click commence and take the 30 minute penalty for leaving. It is a temporary workaround.

Bottom line, people need to communicate. Ask if people are ready queue. Do a ready check at very least before you queue.

This could be used by trolls... Hopefully the dev team can fix this so a PT for a primal EX will not be down a tank because the tank who leaves immediately wants to troll.

[Evangela]

Is the penalty apply for those who entering as a full party (full alliance for 24 man content)?

[Marisela]

My assumption - and I'm sure it's a good one that most people would agree with - is that this mechanism was designed to deter in-progress hunting. Since you cannot join in-progress with a party, I see no reason why they couldn't keep the system as is to serve its purpose while removing it from pre-made party queues. This leaves only the vanishingly small number of people withdrawing as a party to troll individuals, but I suspect the number of occurrences of such an activity is negligible.

I have the same thought. The system is working perfect and it is definitely needed to prevent fishing, it is rather annoying. But since you can only "Join In Progress" when you are solo and not in party, why not just remove the commence penalty when in a pre-made party?

No need to abandon this system just because of it, we all know how fishing in progress can be very annoying. Even if this isn't fixed I rather have this system in place. Also, there a maintain today. Maybe they will fixed this issue and some issue they find during patch? I hope they don't remove it though.