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  1. #11
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    Odsarzol Que
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    Quote Originally Posted by HakuroDK View Post
    This does make a fair bit of sense, if you think about it.
    Then you remember, using lore, that they never explained why Arcanist went from Trap users that used Mechanical staves and automatons to suddenly becoming summoners, as well as why we suddenly have daggers being sold everywhere when they weren't before. A lot of items we have access to aren't native to eorzea either, but yet here they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Then you remember, using lore, that they never explained why Arcanist went from Trap users that used Mechanical staves and automatons to suddenly becoming summoners, as well as why we suddenly have daggers being sold everywhere when they weren't before. A lot of items we have access to aren't native to eorzea either, but yet here they are.
    Were mechanical staves ever part of the lore? I seem to remember the Arcanist's Guild being just a bunch of harbormasters. The mechanical staves were in the concept art at one point, but never in the lore did they ever wield them.

    Also, daggers were sold everywhere before, but they fell out of favor with the Gladiators and became unpopular, thus stopped being sold for a while. Then when the Rogues started accepting applications, daggers became popular again.
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    Gilraen Bior
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    We have alot of non-native things because they were brought here by non-natives. The Heavensturn helms, all provided by Far Eastern tourists. Yukata, brought in by globe-trotting traders who sampled flavors of the Far East. Fuma... not sure, there's no telling how it got inside an ancient, unexplored dungeon long buried till the Calamity. Ninja is none of these things. Ninja is a discipline, brought over by a Far Eastern immigrant, who is the only one outside of certain NPCs who knows the abilities and arms of said discipline. For random vendors to have Japanese daggers would require a larger population of Ninja than what we have, who are also shameless enough to capitalize on the knowledge and equipment therein. From what I gather, this is not the case.
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    Blaise Destin
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    Theres a lot of things this game does and does not try to explain away with lore, I can see no reason why Katana/Kogatana cannot fall into one of these categories and SE just release more of them... when it comes to weapons, Ninjas should have access to Kogatana/Katanas (whichever you prefer to call it)... I wouldn't be that bad lore wise for someone to impart the knowledge on us, as crafters... That way we simply have adventurers crafting the weapons, and not just your average merchants selling them. But they could easily pass some merchants selling them (especially Mor Dhona ones) without fiddling with lore too badly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    The names of the Samurai and Ninja weapons in XI are actually a mistranslation. In the original Japanese the Samurai use Katana and the Ninja use Kogatana (or small katana). For some strange reason, the translators decided to follow the sword naming conventions, with Great Katana and Katana like was used for Great Sword and Sword. It's a small difference that's had lasting consequences, apparently.

    As for why the only Japanese daggers in the game are the Ninja relic, well that should be immediately obvious. Ninja isn't a Job native to Eorzea so why would there be random Japanese daggers sold by vendors?
    Exactly, we have only just received people from the East and most of them had only the clothes on their backs.

    We should expect more Eastern items in the future when we actually travel to Doma ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamez82 View Post
    You're thinking of the ninjato which is astraight blade and slightly shorter than a katana.
    ninjato ninshmato

    all Japanese swords are katanas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    The names of the Samurai and Ninja weapons in XI are actually a mistranslation. In the original Japanese the Samurai use Katana and the Ninja use Kogatana (or small katana). For some strange reason, the translators decided to follow the sword naming conventions, with Great Katana and Katana like was used for Great Sword and Sword. It's a small difference that's had lasting consequences, apparently.
    Incorrect. In Japanese they are 片手刀 (one-handed katana) and 両手刀 (two-handed katana), which is the standard convention for all weapons in the game (i.e. wands/staves are just one-handed/two-handed canes).
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    Well, this is not FFXI, so I don't see why Nin should be using Katanas.
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