Ninja seems a bit broken

[RiceisNice]

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I really want to say that there needs to be more time to really determine ninja's potential. Just from personal experiences that any of my lvl 50 groups with a ninja(s) in it goes significantly faster... I just had a titan HM downed before LB2 (which was the norm for the rabid nexus farm groups). The parsers I've looked at are also ideal circumstances for dps (T8 for example) with ninja pulling ahead. Granted its a small sample size.

I'm just not convinced at people saying ninja is difficult to play when Mudras/Ninjitsu aren't all that convoluted as they make it out to be, or that they are incredibly restrained in the event of messing up a huton/suiton (which falls into player skill and not necessarily fight mechanics, such as a monk losing GL3 cause of phasing).

[Ephier]

I really want to say that there needs to be more time to really determine ninja's potential. Just from personal experiences that any of my lvl 50 groups with a ninja(s) in it goes significantly faster... I just had a titan HM downed before LB2 (which was the norm for the rabid nexus farm groups). The parsers I've looked at are also ideal circumstances for dps (T8 for example) with ninja pulling ahead. Granted its a small sample size.

I'm just not convinced at people saying ninja is difficult to play when Mudras/Ninjitsu aren't all that convoluted as they make it out to be, or that they are incredibly restrained in the event of messing up a huton/suiton (which falls into player skill and not necessarily fight mechanics, such as a monk losing GL3 cause of phasing).

All these people saying its not difficult need to play it.

[RiceisNice]

All these people saying its not difficult need to play it.

Everyone I know who went from monk have no trouble with managing their upkeep on DoTs and debuff...the latter being a non-issue with a warrior tank. Ninjitsus aren't that complicated when you realize all you need to do is not double-tap and get the last mudra correct. I'm certainly not having difficulty maintaining my debuffs so far or managing mudras.

And even then, difficulty hardly justifies having more dps/capability (if this ends up being the case, like I said it's a bit too soon to solidify it) because it's relative.

[Ephier]

Everyone I know who went from monk have no trouble with managing their upkeep on DoTs and debuff...the latter being a non-issue with a warrior tank. Ninjitsus aren't that complicated when you realize all you need to do is not double-tap and get the last mudra correct. I'm certainly not having difficulty maintaining my debuffs so far or managing mudras.

And even then, difficulty hardly justifies having more dps/capability (if this ends up being the case, like I said it's a bit too soon to solidify it) because it's relative.

Where did I say difficulty = dps? I just said don't say its easy til you try it.

[RiceisNice]

Where did I say difficulty = dps? I just said don't say its easy til you try it.

Yeah that was my interpretation of your post. It was really implied though considering your reply was to my statement (which was in that context of people saying difficulty = dps). My bad.

[Leonus]

All these people saying its not difficult need to play it.

After having ninja 50 "For a while" (since last Thursday is a while now to some people, which is funny) I'd have to say playing ninja is not hard, at least for me. It's just a little easier to loose your place in your "rotation". Mainly because the job is so new.

before anyone says "you're playing it poorly if you think it's easy" I have been doing very well as ninja in primals/coil farms and I'm only i101 and doing better than most ninja's I've come across with higher ilvls. It may just be me, not everyone picks up on stuff at the same rate, some are faster and some are a bit slower.

Then again I don't think drg or mnk are difficult either. If anything, I think the people who played drg and know that rotation well have an easier time transitioning to nin.

I just don't want nin nerfed due to bias and stacking of the job, I think nin is at a good place in between Drgs burst damage and mnks sustained.

[silentwindfr]

I just don't want nin nerfed due to bias and stacking of the job, I think nin is at a good place in between Drgs burst damage and mnks sustained.

that the point, you see the jobs in a classement, where they probably don't even see them like this (the develloper) they probably look at the stats and see if the difference are not too much (like said 10-20 dps at best)
people want to say, this jobs is better than another... when you have no reason to do this. they try to balance the game in a way that every jobs is usefull for a group.

about the burst dps, sorry ninja have a better burst than dragoon :x it can land some burst of 3000+ when well played. (sneak/trick attack+ aeolian edge + raiton)

[Leonus]

that the point, you see the jobs in a classement, where they probably don't even see them like this (the develloper) they probably look at the stats and see if the difference are not too much (like said 10-20 dps at best)
people want to say, this jobs is better than another... when you have no reason to do this. they try to balance the game in a way that every jobs is usefull for a group.

about the burst dps, sorry ninja have a better burst than dragoon :x it can land some burst of 3000+ when well played. (sneak/trick attack+ aeolian edge + raiton)

I respectfully disagree, I came from drg main and drgs burst is pretty high.

A well geared drg on opening burst rotation can hit higher than that. Power surge + spines hatter dive + life surge + full thrust with dragonfire dive and enhanced B4B all timed out in the opening rotation for those that know it. If you add in nins TA boost in a timely fashion then drgs will do even more. When they line up again or you save them for burn phases in fights it's pretty hard to top unless you're a blm.

Really no real testing or not much has been done with NIN yet so none can argue that Monk is ST dps king and none can say that it still is.
Some of you can argue high about how YOU don't believe NIN can do more damage, honestly it's too early to know for sure.
Would it be so bad if NIN did do more dmg, or would it hurt egos?

You already know this going to hurt egos and party compositions to an extent.

[silentwindfr]

I respectfully disagree, I came from drg main and drgs burst is pretty high.

you know what? don't believe me, test it by yourself, i can talk because i do have the jobs to 50 and can see the difference.

ps: i love how you can say stuff that are... well funny.

the combo you just discribe is a spine hatter dive + power surge = 255 potency, full thrust + life surge = 330 potency in critical and dragon dive at 250.

the combo i did discribe is Trick attack = 400 potency, aeolian edge = 320 potency and raiton (that is used with kassatsu, or you can use it there) = 360 potency in critical.
if you use sneak attack = 500 potency ^^

go try the ninja and judge by yourself instead talk without even did try it. the world did change.

[Leonus]

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That's cool that you can get snarky, considering I also have the jobs 50. Potency is NOT the only thing that matters in this game. It's also what's being used, with what and when. Buffs matter and those attacks you listed hit for really high numbers when combined correctly. If you would read and see I said opening burst rotation maybe you wouldn't have come off that way. If you think drgs burst rotation is hitting for less than 3 damage you are mistaken, considering life surge + full thrust is hitting for 1.5k damage or more just by itself. And power surge + SSD is hitting for around 900 or more. Which is already 2.4k and we haven't factored in the other stuff such as DFD and just jump.

Ps: still laughing at you snarky comment that wasn't necessary, especially when I said I respectfully disagree.