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    I did a rough simulation based on the numbers we know for damage and potency and auto attack and found that in an ideal world with no misses and no down time a monk will always out DPS a ninja because a monks Auto Attacks will always be greater than any other DPS class due to the 52% bonus in damage a monk can obtain. However the more a monk loses its grease lightning stacks the more even it makes NIN til a point where NIN will surpass it.

    Bottom line: Monk will always win in non phase changing / low movement fights, but things even out the more a monk has to refresh GL3 and dodge attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnarWolfram View Post
    I did a rough simulation based on the numbers we know for damage and potency and auto attack and found that in an ideal world with no misses and no down time a monk will always out DPS a ninja because a monks Auto Attacks will always be greater than any other DPS class due to the 52% bonus in damage a monk can obtain. However the more a monk loses its grease lightning stacks the more even it makes NIN til a point where NIN will surpass it.

    Bottom line: Monk will always win in non phase changing / low movement fights, but things even out the more a monk has to refresh GL3 and dodge attacks.
    I know mnk will generally always out dps nin, but can you explain the extra 52% bonus? Or is that relative to mnks 32% overall attack bonus vs nins 20% attack bonus? Cause if it is then that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    I know mnk will generally always out dps nin, but can you explain the extra 52% bonus? Or is that relative to mnks 32% overall attack bonus vs nins 20% attack bonus? Cause if it is then that makes sense.
    27% GL
    10% TS
    10% DK
    5% FoF
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    Ah, I thought we were going straight off of gl3+FoF vs Huton+KotV/W.

    So it boils down to mnks 52% damage buff vs nins 26% or so damage increase (dancing edge is -10% slashing debuff which equates to around 6-7% damage increase right?)

    Anyway, this is good, maybe people can stop saying nin is OP?
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    Last edited by Leonus; 11-04-2014 at 10:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    27% GL
    10% TS
    10% DK
    5% FoF
    DK (and SE/DE for NIN) isn't a straight +10% though. It would be better to just compare what the difference is between the two; DK and SE/DE is the same, speed of Huton vs GL3 is the same. You're mostly comparing the damage of 42% (GL Snakes FoF) to NIN's 20% (Kiss) and higher overall potencies.
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    Last edited by SeraviEdalborez; 11-04-2014 at 10:09 AM.

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    But even with that, mnk should still come out on top, just less room for error on the mnks part to maintain GL3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    DK (and SE/DE for NIN) isn't a straight +10% though. It would be better to just compare what the difference is between the two; DK and SE/DE is the same, speed of Huton vs GL3 is the same. You're mostly comparing the damage of 42% (GL Snakes FoF) to NIN's 20% (Kiss) and higher overall potencies.
    Granted, but I assume that's where he got the number from. The "-X% Resistance" thing seems to be weird. Like, if it affects dots for casters, why not for melee? Why isn't it a straight "+X% damage of ___ Type" instead? Would make things so much easier to compare. . .
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